IdleRich
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Sampled from C Cat Trance... who were French (I tihnk). Maybe they sampled from something else..
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Sampled from C Cat Trance... who were French (I tihnk). Maybe they sampled from something else..
subvert47
I don't fight, I run away
dunno, but if it's appropriation, it's never been done as well as this...
JH on processsed trumpet
Nana Vasconcelos & Aiyb Dieng on percussion
Percy Jones on fretless bass
superb
Simon silverdollarcircle
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That's sun city girls tho innit?
luka
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it doesn't garuntee your music will be good. it just gives you a better chance.
Simon silverdollarcircle
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I think I'm ok with sun city girls but lots of it is daft
version
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Simon silverdollarcircle
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Lots of people find them offensive don't they? To which I think their argument is it's counter to an exoticising over-reverential approach.
I lean towards the first view cos I like getting offended at things but im not sure my heart is really in it
I lean towards the first view cos I like getting offended at things but im not sure my heart is really in it
Simon silverdollarcircle
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Imagine them doing it live. Fucking hell
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
English. the main guys were previously Medium Medium, more straightforward avant-funk v typical of the early 80s (tho leaning more toward funk than avant, than most of their contemporaries), which comes through in some of those popping 80s funk basslines.
C Cat Trance is if anything too serious to be pulpy, tho definitely exoticized. either way pretty good. they got a nice reissue by Emotional Rescue (i.e. the top of the reissue-industrial complex pyramid) a couple years ago.
couple other jams besides "Screaming Ghosts"
"Yashar" by Cabaret Voltaire is another that comes to mind here
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I'm pretty fascinated with creolized musics in general. it's one of the only things that really keeps me searching for tunes.
a natural process that occurs any time two or more cultures rub up each against each other, physically or more recently, digitally
obv Hassell is trying reframe that in the context of Western colonialism, and specifically post-colonialism
"4th world" while still kinda suspect is at least vastly better conceptually than "world music"
which is the opposite of creolization - the neutering of everything into one bland background Starbucks music, Putumayo compilations, fucking horrible
even in that specific context Hassell was just the tip of the iceberg, a very academic take on something that was happening everywhere in every way
the 80s was absolutely rife with this stuff, both conceptually and pragmatically, at all levels of good or bad taste and faith
on the postpunk proper side, 23 Skidoo is an obvious touchstone - "Coup" is their best, but these two are more "4th World"
Savage Republic is another, less sonically "4th World" but in a similar cleft between guitar-based postpunk and percussive industrial
the "Burundi beat" of Bow Wow Wow etc is very 4th World pop, complete with lingering on the edge of a discussion about "appropriation"
this is kind of a deep cut version of Bow Wow Wow (which I prefer, tho the original is also good ofc) produced by Daniel Lanois of Eno fame
the cosmic - Danielle Baldelli etc - end of the post-disco 80s is almost de facto 4th World with its heavy focus on African percussion to the point you'll sometimes see "afro" and "cosmic" used interchangeably
this features (I believe) actual Burundi drummers, as well as French Caribbean musicians, and a white French producer
a natural process that occurs any time two or more cultures rub up each against each other, physically or more recently, digitally
obv Hassell is trying reframe that in the context of Western colonialism, and specifically post-colonialism
"4th world" while still kinda suspect is at least vastly better conceptually than "world music"
which is the opposite of creolization - the neutering of everything into one bland background Starbucks music, Putumayo compilations, fucking horrible
even in that specific context Hassell was just the tip of the iceberg, a very academic take on something that was happening everywhere in every way
the 80s was absolutely rife with this stuff, both conceptually and pragmatically, at all levels of good or bad taste and faith
on the postpunk proper side, 23 Skidoo is an obvious touchstone - "Coup" is their best, but these two are more "4th World"
Savage Republic is another, less sonically "4th World" but in a similar cleft between guitar-based postpunk and percussive industrial
the "Burundi beat" of Bow Wow Wow etc is very 4th World pop, complete with lingering on the edge of a discussion about "appropriation"
this is kind of a deep cut version of Bow Wow Wow (which I prefer, tho the original is also good ofc) produced by Daniel Lanois of Eno fame
the cosmic - Danielle Baldelli etc - end of the post-disco 80s is almost de facto 4th World with its heavy focus on African percussion to the point you'll sometimes see "afro" and "cosmic" used interchangeably
this features (I believe) actual Burundi drummers, as well as French Caribbean musicians, and a white French producer
IdleRich
IdleRich
Yeah they (CCT) were the same guys as Medium Medium... I changed it to "I think" cos (I looked it up quickly and) their names aren't French at all. My favourite is Shake the Mind I guess... which is kinda inspired by a Brigitte Fontaine tune... maybe that was why I was thinking France.
Edit; is she 4th world?
Edit; is she 4th world?
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padraig (u.s.)
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England of course had (and has) its own post-colonial 4th World pop musics, from India, JA, et
on the British Indian front, my forever queen Sheila Chandra
pretty sure this is her as well, produced by her husband with an anonymous (for contractual reasons I'd assume) vocalist
also this, Vince Clarke and the legendary Asha Bhosle (!), apparently a Garage tune
you could take Adrian Sherwood (and that whole Bristol post-punk contingent, Mark Stewart etc) as a 4th World approach to dub meets industrial
a particularly 4th World tune outside of the direct On-U Sound orbit with Sherwood on the mix
on the British Indian front, my forever queen Sheila Chandra
pretty sure this is her as well, produced by her husband with an anonymous (for contractual reasons I'd assume) vocalist
also this, Vince Clarke and the legendary Asha Bhosle (!), apparently a Garage tune
you could take Adrian Sherwood (and that whole Bristol post-punk contingent, Mark Stewart etc) as a 4th World approach to dub meets industrial
a particularly 4th World tune outside of the direct On-U Sound orbit with Sherwood on the mix
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
there's also unsurprisingly 4th World strains running through some krautrock and other 70s outre things
one of my all-time faves at the fringes of krautrock, Ingo Werner + a very good santur (Persian dulcimer) player
"Mokscha", all burbling analogue electronics and waves of shimmering metallic dulcimer
other things I'd include would be Between (Peter Michael Hamel et al), the first Deuter LP, and of course Popol Vuh
one big question is, why does so much of this work so well in the 70s and 80s, yet fail so miserably in the 90s?
i.e. Goa Trance, the waves of terrible ethnic ambient (or whatever you call it) like Banco de Gaia, and so on
one of my all-time faves at the fringes of krautrock, Ingo Werner + a very good santur (Persian dulcimer) player
"Mokscha", all burbling analogue electronics and waves of shimmering metallic dulcimer
other things I'd include would be Between (Peter Michael Hamel et al), the first Deuter LP, and of course Popol Vuh
one big question is, why does so much of this work so well in the 70s and 80s, yet fail so miserably in the 90s?
i.e. Goa Trance, the waves of terrible ethnic ambient (or whatever you call it) like Banco de Gaia, and so on
pattycakes_
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nice interview with the man here. he talks quite a bit about nyc in the 70s and 80s, what it was like to hang around with terry riley & study with pandit pran nath etc
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
I've never heard anyone call out the Sun City Girls btw
afaik they were just an obscure, beloved, outre rock band
kind of a more cerebral Butthole Surfers with more noise, or RIO with more juice
tbf the only record of theirs I know is Torch of the Mystics, pretty good iirc
certainly well on the side of post-modern recontexualization
afaik they were just an obscure, beloved, outre rock band
kind of a more cerebral Butthole Surfers with more noise, or RIO with more juice
tbf the only record of theirs I know is Torch of the Mystics, pretty good iirc
certainly well on the side of post-modern recontexualization
IdleRich
IdleRich
Ibliss?