Resistence vs. Lines of Flight

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TheScuSpeaks

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Following Bush's election, many of my progressive friends are talking the canada angle, or more realistically moving to a 'blue' state. And I am reminded of that phrase in Anti-Oedipus, about the schizo knowing that sometimes the most revolutionary action you can do is simply leave, and in so leaving take part of the system with you. I use to totally believe that, and advocate that often. Like the Ape in Kafka's "A Report to the Academy" I was just looking for a way out, freedom was the acrobats flying through the air, and I had had enough of that.
But now that Bush is elected I am beginning to think that rather then go to grad school in cali or ny and study post-marxist theory perhaps I should stay in the south and work on progressive politics. I am reminded how Foucault disagreed with Deleuze on this point, and argued that resistence is key.

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john eden

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I don't think where you live should be based purely on political issues! :eek:

There is stuff to be done wherever you are. There is resistance wherever you are.

Good luck!
 
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rob_giri

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TheScuSpeaks said:
I am reminded how Foucault disagreed with Deleuze on this point, and argued that resistence is key.
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Yea thats right, theres that story about how during the Nazi occupation of Paris, as Foucault was hiding behind cafes with weapons, Deleuze was having a holiday at the beach!


john eden said:
There is stuff to be done wherever you are. There is resistance wherever you are.
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Thats beautiful, and i agree. As Foucault says, where there is power, there is resistance, and there is power absolutely everywhere (especially California, dude). I'm no American myself, but if you go hang around Berkeley won't that satisfy you? (or was that only in the 60s? I have no idea myself. :D
 
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johneffay

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childOftheBlogosphere said:
Yea thats right, theres that story about how during the Nazi occupation of Paris, as Foucault was hiding behind cafes with weapons, Deleuze was having a holiday at the beach!
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And a story is all it is. During WW2, Foucault was at school in Poitiers and somewhere else I forget prior to that. He arrived in Paris in 1945, a year after it was liberated.
 
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mrfaucet

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I'm not really sure about that, but in my experience if you already have moved or were going to anyway — for whatever reason — politics and policy can be a powerful incentive to stay where you've ended up, or if you're leaving there then to move to somewhere that's not your home country. I think part of the reason I've lived in Japan so long, as much as I like it, is because of the state of the UK and e.g. how the austerity policy, Brexit and the Tory psychodrama have played into that and my perception of it. And it's not just me — it's not unusual to hear these kinds of sentiments from other British people or Americans, for example. Like, there are many good reasons to go back to where you're from, whether its support networks or just cultural literacy, but when you'd likely suffer a big decline in your quality of life, it's very tempting to just stay put, especially if there's just been an election result that is only going to make the situation worse.
 
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Isabel Oakeshott, right-wing journalist and partner of Reform MP Richard Tice, moving to Dubai's been a minor story recently given she's spent years making all the usual right-wing arguments about the UK and has now moved to a Muslim country.
 
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mrfaucet said:
I'm not really sure about that, but in my experience if you already have moved or were going to anyway — for whatever reason — politics and policy can be a powerful incentive to stay where you've ended up, or if you're leaving there then to move to somewhere that's not your home country. I think part of the reason I've lived in Japan so long, as much as I like it, is because of the state of the UK and e.g. how the austerity policy, Brexit and the Tory psychodrama have played into that and my perception of it. And it's not just me — it's not unusual to hear these kinds of sentiments from other British people or Americans, for example. Like, there are many good reasons to go back to where you're from, whether its support networks or just cultural literacy, but when you'd likely suffer a big decline in your quality of life, it's very tempting to just stay put, especially if there's just been an election result that is only going to make the situation worse.
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@IdleRich has talked about this before too. Watching Brexit unfold from Portugal.
 
IdleRich

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Yep, definitely a weird thing to sort of live between two countries, two cultures etc but sadly to me the overall UK environment is not hugely enticing at the moment... although I am gonna be here for a few months I guess cos of other factors.
 
Mr. Tea

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mrfaucet said:
I'm not really sure about that, but in my experience if you already have moved or were going to anyway — for whatever reason — politics and policy can be a powerful incentive to stay where you've ended up, or if you're leaving there then to move to somewhere that's not your home country. I think part of the reason I've lived in Japan so long, as much as I like it, is because of the state of the UK and e.g. how the austerity policy, Brexit and the Tory psychodrama have played into that and my perception of it. And it's not just me — it's not unusual to hear these kinds of sentiments from other British people or Americans, for example. Like, there are many good reasons to go back to where you're from, whether its support networks or just cultural literacy, but when you'd likely suffer a big decline in your quality of life, it's very tempting to just stay put, especially if there's just been an election result that is only going to make the situation worse.
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You're obviously right that things are far from rosy in the UK, but are they really all that much better in Japan? I don't mean for you personally, I mean for ordinary Japanese people in general. It's my understanding (I've never been there) that the economy has been more or less stagnant for 30-odd years, so while your Fujitsus and Toyotas and so on are still headquartered there, most of the manufacturing jobs that once powered the economy have been outsourced so it's mainly service-oriented these days. Then you've got the demographic problems, with a crazy number of lonely, miserable old people, young people with tons of mental health problems who've almost given up reproducing, and far too little immigration to offset the low birth rate (unlike a lot of Western countries, and certainly the UK, where immigration means populations are growing even while birth rates are falling).
 
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0bleak

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Mr. Tea said:
far too little immigration
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prolly too little, too late
can't help but wonder if this will also happen to other countries that view themselves as racially superior
www.lemonde.fr

Foreigners increasingly targeted by racial profiling in Japan

Several people have filed complaints against the actions of the Japanese police, claiming to be victims of discrimination.
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not to mention interactions i've had with customs officials when arriving or leaving the country

of course my brother will argue with me about a lot of that, but whatevs

musk thinks we're going to build new life on other planets while we're still insisting on racial and cultural purity on earth
 
mixed_biscuits

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mrfaucet said:
I'm not really sure about that, but in my experience if you already have moved or were going to anyway — for whatever reason — politics and policy can be a powerful incentive to stay where you've ended up, or if you're leaving there then to move to somewhere that's not your home country. I think part of the reason I've lived in Japan so long, as much as I like it, is because of the state of the UK and e.g. how the austerity policy, Brexit and the Tory psychodrama have played into that and my perception of it. And it's not just me — it's not unusual to hear these kinds of sentiments from other British people or Americans, for example. Like, there are many good reasons to go back to where you're from, whether its support networks or just cultural literacy, but when you'd likely suffer a big decline in your quality of life, it's very tempting to just stay put, especially if there's just been an election result that is only going to make the situation worse.
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Is Japan not v racist and you have to be a Nobel prize winner to become a citizen?
 
mixed_biscuits

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This question can only come from a place of deep western capitalist privilege. In Communist countries most wanted to leave but it was near impossible to do so, and getting in as a foreigner without constant surveillance similarly tricky for longer than a holiday. When things get really bad they put up a big wall to make a camp of the whole place.
 
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Isabel Oakeshott, right-wing journalist and partner of Reform MP Richard Tice, moving to Dubai's been a minor story recently given she's spent years making all the usual right-wing arguments about the UK and has now moved to a Muslim country.
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Westerners live a largely western life in enclaves there. Presumably she hasn't adopted Islamic ways and thereby now wishes the UK becomes Muslim. Let's face it there's scant evidence that any of the non-Muslim Brits on here would happily adapt to Islamic rules.
 
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luka

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mixed_biscuits said:
This question can only come from a place of deep western capitalist privilege. In Communist countries most wanted to leave but it was near impossible to do so, and getting in as a foreigner without constant surveillance similarly tricky for longer than a holiday. When things get really bad they put up a big wall to make a camp of the whole place.
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We respect the pain and sacrifices of your rumainian forebears under the tyrant Chowcheskoo
 
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version

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mixed_biscuits said:
Westerners live a largely western life in enclaves there. Presumably she hasn't adopted Islamic ways and thereby now wishes the UK becomes Muslim. Let's face it there's scant evidence that any of the non-Muslim Brits on here would happily adapt to Islamic rules.
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Yet she feels integration's an issue when it comes to people moving to Britain...
 
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