notation in music?

[wektor]

following the shitstorm under a convo between mark fell and rian treanor cut from the wire

“The musical score is the worst thing in the history of music” – Mark Fell and Rian Treanor on notation - The Wire

In an exclusive extra slice of this month’s Invisible Jukebox, the two electronic musicians rip up the script and discuss sheet music

www.thewire.co.uk

notation (its pianoroll equivalent in case of computer made music ironically seeming to be the last stronghold) seems to be not so popular these days, even daw warlocks like hudmo started striving towards working without a screen at some point, same case with the laptop beatmaker to modular zealot pipeline

not even mentioning the whole thing with classism/racism/generally rigid fukery/disdain towards improv in music academia as that's been going on for decades now

 

[line b]

not really upset I never learned notation, but I do wish I went further with theory

 

[john eden]

Wow people really don’t like it when you say that notation is balls huh.

Derek Bailey will be pissing himself.

 

[luka]

I don't know a single thing about this topic but I don't usually let that stop me from contributing.

The pair of them come across as completely gormless so it's probably that which has peoples hackles up. You can excuse it in the kid but it's embaressing from the dad.

 

[woops]

come on it's a silly article I think. clickbait

tl;dir if you can read music you are a tool of western hegemony and basically think slavery is a good idea

looking forward to third form finding this thread though

 

[john eden]

Isn’t Fell’s stuff partly built with equations though?

 

[version]

Not sure i see the point in getting two people to talk about something they don't know the first thing about.

An article about chess by two guys who don’t play chess.

🤣

 

[john eden]

I thought it was an ok lighthearted discussion as part of a wider convo. I have no skin in the game though. Most music I listen to or see live isn’t scored.

 

[version]

Isn’t Fell’s stuff partly built with equations though?

He just uses Max, iirc.

 

[luka]

🤣

Maybe you could publish this as a series. Next you could have them discuss advances in nuclear power plant designs or the theory behind how the COVID vaccines work.

 

[john eden]

The Wire have blates done this for clicks. Not seen that many comments under their articles before.

The huffing and puffing is great.

 

[version]

I liked Fell's Collateral Damage article a few years back,

Collateral Damage: Mark Fell - The Wire

Mark Fell argues that the limits of technological systems do not frustrate creativity.

www.thewire.co.uk

@suspended You might like this one.

 

[john eden]

He just uses Max, iirc.

OK cool. I dunno how that works but I think there was a previous piece in which he said he left a routine running and didn’t always listen to the piece all the way through.

So presumably that could be transcribed somehow. Although that would be pointless because there aren’t orchestras queuing up to perform his work. Especially now lol.

 

[john eden]

I really like Mark‘s approach to things and he was really nice when I met him at that amazing bash at the De La Warr Pavillion at Bexhill.

 

[version]

He's talked in the past about how he doesn't like linear timelines and visuals of where the music's going,

Mark Fell on his love of FM synthesis and algorithmic composition

The Rotherham artist on his creative process.

www.factmag.com

Real Talk: Mark Fell

The UK artist recalls how the house and techno wave has impacted the wider European electronic music scene.

web.archive.org

Artist Tips: Mark Fell

The acclaimed experimental electronic musician shares his thoughts on production.

web.archive.org

Mark Fell: vortex studies - Fact Magazine

One half of legendary underground production duo snd talks installations and his recent solo work

www.factmag.com

 

[john eden]

There is that group Zeitkratzer or something who do scored versions of stuff like Whitehouse. Bit redundant really.

 

[version]

He's publishing a book with Urbanomic soon.

 

[luka]

That's sad.

 

[version]

In this extensive anthology, Mark Fell, a pioneering artist known for his sound installations and his musical work solo and as part of SND and Sensate Focus, assembles a collection of diverse materials charting his defiantly unorthodox thinking on time, structure, technology, and the relation between academic and popular electronic music.

An amalgam of workbook and manifesto, featuring a collection of interleaved statements, diagrammatic scores, and instructional texts, Structure and Synthesis is a direct engagement with Fell’s original thinking and his continual provocations in regard to ‘experimental’ music. Alongside reflections on theory and practice, the volume includes exercises for dismantling musical expertise, habits, and intuitions, documenting Fell’s explorations of the peripheries of rhythm, shape and time in perception and performance.

Long-term collaborator designer Joe Gilmore provides a striking graphic context for Fell’s evolving thinking and the methods and structures he has developed through his solo and collaborative work.

Structure and Synthesis - Urbanomic

Fell’s sense of humour smacks across the page. […] a timely provocation to artists, institutions, and arts funders. We should applaud his incredible ability to call out shit things for being exactly that. Mariam Rezaei, The Wire This extensive anthology brings together diverse materials charting...

www.urbanomic.com

 

[john eden]

There is a notation joke about Urbanomic being accelerationists but I’m not your guy for such things.