Iris DeMent, Lucinda Williams & Country Dreams

IdleRich

IdleRich
yeah i know but i dont buy it cos everything else changes around it
Well I'd say... it has to be becoming more self-aware and pastiche-ical, but maybe not as much so and as fast as other genres. It's not like someone going out and making a rolling stones record, there's a continuous tradition of staying the same.
 

Murphy

cat malogen
songs get passed down, embellished, accentuated and/or improved

@suspended step over to the Dead side, it isn’t just jam-band hippy bollocks
 

sus

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@WashYourHands I love the Dead! I am a casual but a fan nonetheless. I just finished reading a biography of Bear last month, and did the Scorsese doc in December. What are your favorite performances?
 

Murphy

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Give me a day or 2 and I’ll lob a folder over, notoriously slack at these things and work is haemorrhaging badly
 
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snav

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I think part of country'n'western music works by a sacredness circle. That circle says, The world is inherently tragic, but that tragedy is beautiful and meaningful.
I see it as closer to the classical tradition, of comedy and tragedy. Country is the only style of music I know of that's explicitly _comedic_, rather than merely playful as in jazz etc. Comes through best in live recordings:



The real question is... what happened to the rest of music??!
 

snav

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yeah i know but i dont buy it cos everything else changes around it
I don't buy it because country really does change, and did change quite rapidly throughout its history. Something like (and I'm summarizing 2 intertwined lineages here: "country" and "bluegrass", not to even mention "western", which is its own lineage):
1920s-30s: Jimmie Rodgers, swing bands, other early figures, the foundations emerge for all country




30s-40s: Western Swing ascends, bluegrass develops, Merle Travis invents Travis Picking




40s-50s: proto-Honky Tonk emerges as a stripped down western swing, Scruggs revolutionizes bluegrass banjo playing forever. Elvis emerges from Western Swing and blues.




50s-late 60s: Nashville sound (Chet Atkins, studio string orchestras) ascend, Bakersfield sound (what most people think of as "Honky Tonk", Johnny Cash etc) develops as a response, explicitly pulling from Rock & Roll.




60s-70s: Big Rock Music discovers country, esp in '69-'70. Bob Dylan makes a country album. The Byrds make a country album. The Dead show up. Bluegrass musicians start doing psychedelics.




80s onward is where things get weird. It seems like the "rock" side of things captured a series piece of the energy that used to be within older country music, leaving only this sort of post-Nashville sound with guys like George Strait and Dwight Yoakam being the only vaguely listenable ones, and metal starting to take over as the "folk music of the American south".




This is effectively the same trajectory as jazz, where the music becomes stagnant around/after the 1980s, its energy displaced into an entirely different genre (in jazz's case, hiphop). Post 1980s is also where you start seeing self-consciously "retro"-styled acts (well, okay, you had Bob Wills revival groups every decade after the 1950s, but that doesn't really count... right?).

The final result seems to be that country was left with all the stuff that "wouldn't fit" into other styles of music, mostly Christian and suburban bullshit, hence its decline and subsequent hatred. But there's a lot of great old stuff out there between like... the beginnings of recorded music, and 1990.
 
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snav

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anyway if there's one takeaway, it's that western swing fucking rocks. it's like proto rock-and-roll, with more jazz elements! Elvis was directly inspired by it!




Just check out this guitar solo at like 2:00 and tell me that's not rock & roll, despite being... 1946?:

 
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