Degrowth folks don't get this. They don't think evolutionarily. They think, oh if America and Europe stop progressing, stop advancing technologically, stop growing, it'll be good for the environment. They don't think to what happens in 50 years when China, with zero interest in degrowth, takes control. They don't think comparatively; they consider the West's sins in an absolute light, a light in which these sins certainly look awful, are awful. But the comparative lens is the only way to view an evolutionary puzzle. What is preferred, what is better, not what is good in some vacuum