Neon Screams!

[thirdform]

you go to dance with a partner then?
that seems weird to me and less liberating, and almost seems like the kind of thing that's getting close to having "prescribed" dance moves
or maybe I don't know what you mean by "autistic zonking out on the dance floor solo"

I think he's talking about the lamentable spectacle of ketamine consumption. It is quite bad, I have to be honest. I was once at a night and people kept asking me for ketamine because I'm brown and blind, whilst sloppily bumping into me. In really exhausted, downcast voices as well.

 

[william_kent]

I think he's talking about the lamentable spectacle of ketamine consumption. It is quite bad, I have to be honest. I was once at a night and people kept asking me for ketamine because I'm brown and blind. In really exhausted, downcast voices as well.

last time I went to a squat rave it was exhausting stepping over the pools of sick produced by the ket casualties

 

[0bleak]

I guess maybe it has just never been near as popular in places where I've been in the states so I don't really have any experience (to my knowledge) of being around people on k.

 

[0bleak]

I think I was actually pretty unaware of the popularity of k over there until maybe a couple of decades ago, and just generally ignorant of k in general.

 

[william_kent]

I guess maybe it has just never been near as popular in places where I've been in the states so I don't really have any experience (to my knowledge) of being around people on k.

K probably got a bad reputation in the USA because of Michael Alig and his drug fuelled murder spree



club kids Donahue 1993

"they stay out all night and sleep all day!"

 

[0bleak]

Yeah, I was just reading about how it was a big thing with the "club kids", but it's weird given how I've been and lived in a number of different places in the states and how k just never came up around people I was with as something we could do even if they would be down with all sorts other drugs.

 

[pattycakes_]

interesting new music will come when the divisions in society lead to cataclysmic rupture. Inevitably so. Even the likes of jungle and acid were an outgrowth of the 60s (not in the banal hippie sense) but through the restructuring (technological and social) of labour as a result of increased worker militancy.

It also explains why rave culture had to die. It ultimately was thatchers child.

There's no guarantees of anything anymore. Not based on the old rules anyway. There've been so many cataclysmic eras and events over the last 2+ decades that should have and would have normally created something radical, but something has shifted. I honestly don't see it coming from the kids. They're too under the spell. They might have the appetite for it but I don't think they have the tools which is why we haven't heard anything truly revolutionary from them. I'm totally open to being wrong but have seen no evidence suggesting otherwise.

 

[shakahislop]

There's no guarantees of anything anymore. Not based on the old rules anyway. There've been so many cataclysmic eras and events over the last 2+ decades that should have and would have normally created something radical, but something has shifted. I honestly don't see it coming from the kids. They're too under the spell. They might have the appetite for it but I don't think they have the tools which is why we haven't heard anything truly revolutionary from them. I'm totally open to being wrong but have seen no evidence suggesting otherwise.

we are in a cataclysmic rupture right now, at least if you take the 60s as a benchmark. cultural production has shifted dramatically but we are looking in the wrong place if we're expecting the shock to come from music. we've got entirely new forms now, the idea of music being culturally significant is a thing of the past and looks more and more like an artefact of a particular technological phase

 

[germaphobian]

we are in a cataclysmic rupture right now, at least if you take the 60s as a benchmark. cultural production has shifted dramatically but we are looking in the wrong place if we're expecting the shock to come from music. we've got entirely new forms now, the idea of music being culturally significant is a thing of the past and looks more and more like an artefact of a particular technological phase

it think this guy pretty much nails it

 

[thirdform]

There's no guarantees of anything anymore. Not based on the old rules anyway. There've been so many cataclysmic eras and events over the last 2+ decades that should have and would have normally created something radical, but something has shifted. I honestly don't see it coming from the kids. They're too under the spell. They might have the appetite for it but I don't think they have the tools which is why we haven't heard anything truly revolutionary from them. I'm totally open to being wrong but have seen no evidence suggesting otherwise.

I don't agree. I don't think there has been any real cataclysms over the past 4 decades (in western world at least). the anxieties of new york socialites over AI don't count.

 

[pattycakes_]

Climate collapse? Trump? Rise of the right? Russell Brand?

 

[thirdform]

in the west our media has made us voyeurs of the ruptures taking place in (awkward term) but global south.

Once that no longer functions people will have to act, they can't be in passive consumption fretting. kill the middle class!

 

[thirdform]

Climate collapse? Trump? Rise of the right? Russell Brand?

climate collapse is the only one worth a damn but even that hasn't fully filtered down to popular consciousness yet. Trump (as odious as he is, is the logical culmination of the American project) a red herring. basically mistaking the map for the territory.

 

[pattycakes_]

Yes everyone being all too anaesthetized and pacified even with it all going wrong is probably the main thing keeping something cultural from happening. Would take things getting quite a bit worse prob

 

[germaphobian]

climate collapse is the only one worth a damn but even that hasn't fully filtered down to popular consciousness yet. Trump is a red herring. basically mistaking the map for the territory.

with this i do agree. i'm very much an end of history enthusiast