did hip-hop make funk better?

luka

luka

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i was listening to hard to earn yesterday and the amunt of 3 dimensional structured space in that album compared to todays weird 2d music is amazing
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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there is something about the 70s, idk what it was, more relaxed studio environments after the antiseptic 60s studios, more money, a diff approach to what the studio was meant for, everyone generally more relaxed and not GAF, too many drugs, the audience being in the mood or in tune with artists taking liberties, idk, but funk is just part and parcel of that. and i think w/r/t funk, hendrix had something to do with that, as many of those bands like p funk, ohio players, they all loved band of gypsies (which was basically about 5 ten min jams), and thought stretching out = freedom. i do love, or dId love p funk but am scared to listen to them again as not heard their stuff in at least a decade, and dunno if i can tolerate the stuff that goes on forever anymore. bootsy is easier to listen to as hes more fun, and just a captivating/charismatic lead character who delivers routine lols. i should give it a re listen though, i did listen to too much p funk for many years. seeing them live was a chore though. some people couldnt take it after about 2 hours and had to leave but i convinced myself that i was watching the funk pure and uncut so stayed until the very end.

im surprised no one has brought up the idea of pop music formats as being western and funk and other long form tracks being more 'african' (though indian classical music is full of long pieces too so whatever) yet.
 
luka

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yeah thats heinous. i really hate music when musicians are making it. its the worst.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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WebEschatology said:
i mean....have you heard McCoy Tyner's solo stuff? especially on like Enchantment and Atlantis he was prone to going for broke aswell
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i havent. going for broke is okay, when its a piece that sounds like you should be going for broke, when its not, it just sounds a bit like its meant for a diff piece, a bit violently out of control. maybe serious jazz is like revenge of the sideman or something, where musicians wanted to create a platform to dominate and play the fuck out of everything regardless of whether it was warranted or not. im trying to figure out the right context to listen to it. i thought it would come with age but it hasnt. id rather listen to some nice chet baker or roy ayers' daddy bug album for example.
 
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rubberdingyrapids said:
there is something about the 70s, idk what it was, more relaxed studio environments after the antiseptic 60s studios, more money, a diff approach to what the studio was meant for, everyone generally more relaxed and not GAF, too many drugs, the audience being in the mood or in tune with artists taking liberties, idk, but funk is just part and parcel of that. and i think w/r/t funk, hendrix had something to do with that, as many of those bands like p funk, ohio players, they all loved band of gypsies (which was basically about 5 ten min jams), and thought stretching out = freedom. i do love, or dId love p funk but am scared to listen to them again as not heard their stuff in at least a decade, and dunno if i can tolerate the stuff that goes on forever anymore. bootsy is easier to listen to as hes more fun, and just a captivating/charismatic lead character who delivers routine lols. i should give it a re listen though, i did listen to too much p funk for many years. seeing them live was a chore though. some people couldnt take it after about 2 hours and had to leave but i convinced myself that i was watching the funk pure and uncut so stayed until the very end.

im surprised no one has brought up the idea of pop music formats as being western and funk and other long form tracks being more 'african' (though indian classical music is full of long pieces too so whatever) yet.
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i mean there's also the fact that Hendrix was a member of the Isleys for a while

also man ALL of P-funk is fun not just Bootsy, yes they could get really dark on like Maggot Brain and March to the witches castle but the songs are still as great and weird as ever
 
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rubberdingyrapids said:
i havent. going for broke is okay, when its a piece that sounds like you should be going for broke, when its not, it just sounds a bit like its meant for a diff piece, a bit violently out of control. maybe serious jazz is like revenge of the sideman or something, where musicians wanted to create a platform to dominate and play the fuck out of everything regardless of whether it was warranted or not. im trying to figure out the right context to listen to it. i thought it would come with age but it hasnt. id rather listen to some nice chet baker or roy ayers' daddy bug album for example.
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i mean i like both and Roy Ayers album he did with Fela Kuti is fire but jeez man, you're better off just sticking to the West Coast stuff (although the stick that lot always got was that it was a very white, placcid idea of what Jazz should be)
 
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rubberdingyrapids said:
re: magical trance like beats from that era, theres prob loads actually, but the remix of funkdoobiest's rock on, and mic geronimo's master IC are two of the incredible ones (going from memory). magical hip hop trance is a good genre actually. i loved clams casinos stuff for that too.
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i mean if a "trance" is what you want you'd like this album Akai Solo & Pink Siifu did together

also Funkdoobiest bloody hell
 
luka

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luka said:
There's a new mental illness out where people go round the city with huge speakers all day, grim faced men blasting out music at inconceivable volumes, mostly on bikes sometimes strapped to a sack cart/trolley
and one of them was playing mass appeal by Gangstarr and to hear it that loud, it was like a religious experience, it was awe inspiring and it reminded me of how magical a loop can be.
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ive got a report from the stoke newington frontlines

i thought there was a block party going on the other day but it was just some guy late 50's string vest, sitting on his own with a mighty speaker on a trolley just blasting out r'nb next to a cafe full of hipsters that couldn't hear themselves speak. no one had the balls to say anything to him!!!
 
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rubberdingyrapids said:
i havent. going for broke is okay, when its a piece that sounds like you should be going for broke, when its not, it just sounds a bit like its meant for a diff piece, a bit violently out of control. maybe serious jazz is like revenge of the sideman or something, where musicians wanted to create a platform to dominate and play the fuck out of everything regardless of whether it was warranted or not. im trying to figure out the right context to listen to it. i thought it would come with age but it hasnt. id rather listen to some nice chet baker or roy ayers' daddy bug album for example.
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I reject free jazz being called a kind of paux-faced seriousness. It's macabre, intense, mutable, metapolitical, all those things, but unlike metal it's not intent on exhibiting a macho dominance. Insofar as there is a dominance, it is the dominance of essential absurdity. The seriousness, insofar as it can be said to exist, is in this very descent into the maelstrom of altered states of consciousness (but not in the hippy bell-bottom flowerpower sense, instead forceably and dictatorially veering towards the totalcosmomutagenic.) The saxophone as red terror. The problem is that western ears are unable to hear melodies in scronk and sax blowing, because their ears are out of tune.

If you go to sleep in Turkey every summer on the weekends with bands playing this kind of music live and the drums and zurnas shaking your ribcages, then free jazz is a perfectly natural progression.

 
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