Catalog's hip hop journey

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and what's this about a transatlantic family fued with Immortal Technique?

 

[luka]

About him not with him

 

[catalog]

I said nice mellow beat just to keep up the humour, didn't mean nothing by it.

Im sorry but neither of those tracks is as good as beat bop by k-rob and ramm. I will listen again but no one is gonna beat ramms masterful improv.

Yes I never had a scrap with immortal technique just my relatives had a phase of comparing everything I played to them with him and it did my head in. I think he's rubbish, but that's almost beside the point.

 

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you bringing up "nice mellow beats" makes me think of that clip of Thatcher talking about some Pepsi & Shirley tune chatting bout how "there certainly was rhythm you could do a movement to it"

 

[catalog]

I can see its become something of a trigger for you so I'll stop it now. Also I didn't do the tag.

 

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not sure why this is here but man Marshall wasn't kidding when he said back in the day he was trying to rap like Big Daddy Kane

 

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Yeah I love both of these, heard both of them before.

This is my favourite sort of hip hop, yes.

I do tend to get into things I don't love love several years too late.

It's just innocent fun at this point but I like the precision and syncopation on the beats. There's a crispness and clarity I'm into.

Also the crew vibe and the passing of the mic, the posse effect, echoing one another etc. Keeps things moving. There's no story particularly, it's all just a laugh, they are having fun, you go with it.

My favs of this era are young MC, most afrika bambaataa but especially planet rock, spoony gee, almost all run DMC, almost all early ll, a lot of pe, stetasonic, epmd, almost all eric b and rakim.

It's fun as well with these, you get all the clips that get rerun in later tunes. Like from this one, it's got the "girls gitls girls" bit that Jay z lifted/reworked?

Jimmy spicer, I got hold of that dollar bill yall one from the wu sample and had it in a load of mixes. This one's good as well.

Of the 2, dunno which i prefer, neither are the best of that time for me, but I could get into both with enough listens. This era is timeless and untouchable, if I was asked to define hip hop for someone who knew less about it than me, someone who had never heard it, I would point to these 2 songs. American, and in fact NYC, groups of lads talking about how good they are their music are, nice mellow sample based beats that become earworms, 1980s.

so this is your magnetic North as far as rap in this era, i think it's weird that young mc is part of your list cause he came MUCH latter than all the other names you've mentioned specifically part of that early 90s pop rap burst not to say that he isn't a notable name in his own right but just yeah its odd

i think the crispness and clarity that you like with this era in particular might have to do with the fact that the breaks were played by live bands early on and then later by the time you get to bambaataa, Run DMC/LL it turns into this sparse hard hitting thing where drum machines and that come into play

 

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i got a book on hip hop's first decade that i really want to crack into, and not to stick too long to Bambaataa but some people i feel would probably look at "Planet Rock" as important as that tune is was like the commercial end of what they were doing and if you really wanted to hear Zulu Nation proper you'd have to listen to the tapes.

 

[luka]

i think the crispness and clarity that you like with this era in particular might have to do with the fact that the breaks were played by live bands early on and then later by the time you get to bambaataa, Run DMC/LL it turns into this sparse hard hitting thing where drum machines and that come into play

i think the important thing is that he likes it cuddly and not confrontational

 

[catalog]

so this is your magnetic North as far as rap in this era, i think it's weird that young mc is part of your list cause he came MUCH latter than all the other names you've mentioned specifically part of that early 90s pop rap burst not to say that he isn't a notable name in his own right but just yeah its odd

I meant "know how" specifically which is 88 I think?



The bassline was the inspiration for mani and reni for fools gold

 

[catalog]

i got a book on hip hop's first decade that i really want to crack into, and not to stick too long to Bambaataa but some people i feel would probably look at "Planet Rock" as important as that tune is was like the commercial end of what they were doing and if you really wanted to hear Zulu Nation proper you'd have to listen to the tapes.

I'll check these out, thanks. I have had a listen before to some of bambaataas other stuff but I don't think any of it comes close to planet rock. That's not to say the dj stuff will not be good, very likely to be great actually.

 

[catalog]

Isn't bam also a nonce?

 

[catalog]

i think the important thing is that he likes it cuddly and not confrontational

Cuddly and confrontational could be said to map onto the feminine and masculine.

 

[luka]

Isn't bam also a nonce?

mega-nonce in fact

 

[luka]

Ultra-Nonce

 

[catalog]

Were Coil also not a bit noncey?

 

[luka]

more than a bit. they once said they were 'nonces first, musicians second'

 

[luka]

basically everyone in the entertainment industry is a nonce. did you know usher was noncing justin beiber? the whole industry runs on a groom and nonce cycle with victims becoming perpetrators.

 

[catalog]

Yeah, pretty disturbing.

Happy New Year!