Dissensus goes to the Daiquiri Factory

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Inspired by the youtube videos where Nickatina talks about how his first 3 albums got made & @suspended (YES YOU FAM) being vocal about how nobody on here wants to engage with the music itself and rather just immolate each other through weak jokes n shit here, this is the equivalent of me dousing my body on petrol,lighting myself on fire and running into a crowd. I want all you man to engage with and listen to this album that i personally think is a classic, Andre Nickatina's Daiquiri Factory Cocaine Raps, Vol. 2

Crowlgot the sense not to visit here but they ride for this album aswell as i do, so i'd be interested to see where this goes.

@catalog you can engage with this whether you want to or not the server you got is seperate to this but like his thread i want you to engage with this i don't wanna hear no stories about Bishopsgate nonce stings or anything of that nature.

 

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once i'm done with this and catalog's journey through rap, i might pull a Noel emits and leave this place

 

[sus]

I'm with parents for holiday but will listen when I get a chance!

Not sure mum and dad would appreciate hip hop on their loudspeakers

Very provincial couple those two

 

[catalog]

I'm in Nottingham with wife's family and similarly have to sit and get drunk in a hot room but will listen to those other ones you posted in my thread and this one soon.

 

[catalog]

Anyway don't leave please Web esc I like your energy around here

 

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I'm with parents for holiday but will listen when I get a chance!

Not sure mum and dad would appreciate hip hop on their loudspeakers

Very provincial couple those two

put it on the speakers they need some bass in their lives

 

[shakahislop]

gave the first six tracks a spin before i had to do something else. my immediate reaction says basically nothing about the album itself. it just reminded me how as someone who got into hiphop in about 2013 so much of what came before the 2010s sounds essentially dull and kind of conservative to my ears, like so much of it conforms to genre rules about beats, flow, lyrical subject matter.

i know that more or less no-one except teenagers agrees with me on this but i have the same reaction every time i listen to in particular 00s hiphop. it feels to me that there was a threshold for recording technology that was overcome in about 2010, and after that there is so much more of the novelty that i'm into.

that says more or less nothing about this album in particular as i said

 

[sus]

Tell us what you like about this record WebEsch. I've given it a listen, but I'm not sure what to listen for

 

[forclosure]

gave the first six tracks a spin before i had to do something else. my immediate reaction says basically nothing about the album itself. it just reminded me how as someone who got into hiphop in about 2013 so much of what came before the 2010s sounds essentially dull and kind of conservative to my ears, like so much of it conforms to genre rules about beats, flow, lyrical subject matter.

i know that more or less no-one except teenagers agrees with me on this but i have the same reaction every time i listen to in particular 00s hiphop. it feels to me that there was a threshold for recording technology that was overcome in about 2010, and after that there is so much more of the novelty that i'm into.

that says more or less nothing about this album in particular as i said

i say this with no disrespect but this is the response of every person who initially engages with rap that they consider "before their time"

the same reaction you're having to rap pre 2010 is exactly what somebody in the 90s said trying to get used to the kind of stuff LL Cool J/Whodini and the rest of them were rapping over back in 1982-83

 

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@shakahislop i'm also curious to know what you were predominatly listening to before you got into rap around 2013 which is always a trip for me when i hear somebody say they were getting into rap as a genre that recent

 

[thirdform]

gave the first six tracks a spin before i had to do something else. my immediate reaction says basically nothing about the album itself. it just reminded me how as someone who got into hiphop in about 2013 so much of what came before the 2010s sounds essentially dull and kind of conservative to my ears, like so much of it conforms to genre rules about beats, flow, lyrical subject matter.

i know that more or less no-one except teenagers agrees with me on this but i have the same reaction every time i listen to in particular 00s hiphop. it feels to me that there was a threshold for recording technology that was overcome in about 2010, and after that there is so much more of the novelty that i'm into.

that says more or less nothing about this album in particular as i said

Novelty is kinda overrated.

actually very overrated. This is where I disagree with the poptimist project, it's just chasing novelty after novelty without actually discovering anything new. Just endless reconfigurations of neoliberal desire.

 

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Tell us what you like about this record WebEsch. I've given it a listen, but I'm not sure what to listen for

honestly i'd rather you just dive in and give me your impressions of the album what sticks out,what qualities you notice Nicky's style of rapping etc

but its just a really good really off kilter album that even by the standards of Bay Area/Oakland rappers its odd and it's first and foremost a street rap album, if this was done now it would definitly be considered a meme rap album and considered alongside people like Viper,Lil Ugly Mane,RX/RXK and those guys

 

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i'd argue he's got 4 or 5 albums that you could consider classics but if you ask people which one is "thee" album the response you get will be different

 

[shakahislop]

i say this with no disrespect but this is the response of every person who initially engages with rap that they consider "before their time"

the same reaction you're having to rap pre 2010 is exactly what somebody in the 90s said trying to get used to the kind of stuff LL Cool J/Whodini and the rest of them were rapping over back in 1982-83

ha! yeah i don't doubt it.

for whatever reason the exception for me is g-funk

 

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ha! yeah i don't doubt it.

for whatever reason the exception for me is g-funk

wonder why that's the case, beats probably have a reason to do with it

 

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i have to share this,its an amazing performance on some local tv ting back when he went by Dre Dog

 

[thirdform]

honestly i'd rather you just dive in and give me your impressions of the album what sticks out,what qualities you notice Nicky's style of rapping etc

but its just a really good really off kilter album that even by the standards of Bay Area/Oakland rappers its odd and it's first and foremost a street rap album, if this was done now it would definitly be considered a meme rap album and considered alongside people like Viper,Lil Ugly Mane,RX/RXK and those guys

Yeah, the sampling on this record is really incongruous. Really bizarre 50s cassino/slanky hotel flic updated for the 2000s.

Which is reflected in the rap, it's nerdy but almost like an old hobo, not so fourth dimensional as some of the new geezers we're into. more like the Robbie deniro era, though of course sounding nothing like him. Also some of this Atlanta stuff is at the house tempo which was something which got lost in the ny-ification of the 90s. Ultramagnetic mcs ina di rave.

 

[thirdform]

Gingerbread man - comic book characters, almost like an inversion of the bravado of street rap, i mean you have to laugh. There's no real menace in Nickatima, which allows the robotic quality of the whole record to stand out.

This would be classified as a kind of meme rap if it was made today certainly. But imo it's not, it's not really a parody so much as an inversion, which is why he gets away with being hilarious, because there's a deep satire and sardonic quality to it all.

Hot as a crack spot // Took out the cash box // And left with the flash doc

My young niga Don Juan
He looked right in front of a khan
Said that it was real sweet
Sumthin' I would keep
I live like a Gipsy
Rap till I'm empty
Fly like a Frisbee
But hung like a Grizzly

😂🤣

 

[shakahislop]

@shakahislop i'm also curious to know what you were predominatly listening to before you got into rap around 2013 which is always a trip for me when i hear somebody say they were getting into rap as a genre that recent

yeah right. my way into hiphop was actually a couple of specific things. it was a couple of mixes on FACT that rocked my world, and recording an hour or so of Hot 97 on a bus trip from philly to DC, which had Fucking Problems on. all of that stuff was immediately accessible, had all kinds of ideas in the lyrics, wasn't boring to me, sounded new, and so on. i think just before that, another formative experience in that respect was cruising around Dhaka late at night, which is an apocalyptic city, with a local proper elite guy, with one of the Drake albums on and going to hang out on some new bridge.

won't go back through my whole musical history, though to be fair that actually would be quite an interesting thing to do, but grime was my way in really. it was rocking my world from about 2008 to 2012, i had all the classics to go through and bits and pieces of good stuff was still coming out. obviously after the experience of grime the idea that rapping was boring lyrically or sonically just doesn't stand up so was much more open to hiphop after that. it's not the same as post-2010 hiphop sonicallly obviously, but i think they share the newness aspect. and i found in that hiphop the same lyrical thing as i found in grime, which is that people were going on about things and emotions that i found relevant and could relate to, that no other medium was really getting at or dealing with.

so as of 2013 i guess i was listening to a lot of grime, some 90s indie, a lot of dinosaur jr actually from what i can remember, was into that king midas sound album that came out around then too. actually was still into a lot of that hyperdub stuff around then that was on the margins of dubstep. the bug was a big deal for me.

weirdly the other thing that i got into, at exactly the same time as hiphop, was slowcore, which is a totally different set of emotions.

 

[shakahislop]

wonder why that's the case, beats probably have a reason to do with it

yeah, and that when i was in year 9 Eminem and Dr Dre 2001 were all that anyone at my school was listening to. not that those are so g funk but there's a lineage obviously.