Clinamatic's venture to the rap dungeon

[woops]

there's a grey area where some rap tracks don't use a sample, but a band replaying a groove off another record correct

also check this out, for non-sampled rap, still sounds like the future to me, thought it was earlier than 88 though

 

[forclosure]

there's a grey area where some rap tracks don't use a sample, but a band replaying a groove off another record correct

also check this out, for non-sampled rap, still sounds like the future to me, thought it was earlier than 88 though

yeah that was the really early stuff when it was still coming out of the disco era Sugar Hill/Echo Records that stuff

 

[DannyL]

yeah that was the really early stuff when it was still coming out of the disco era Sugar Hill/Echo Records that stuff

Beat Bop being the great avant rap example that everyone on here has in their DNA bar these new-fangled Amerikkkans. I like a lot of that early disco rap shit.

 

[DannyL]

My fave example of that style though tbh I don't know who played on this and Discogs ain't telling me:


And this one - though this is a sample - Tania Gardener

 

[woops]

Beat Bop being the great avant rap example that everyone on here has in their DNA bar these new-fangled Amerikkkans. I like a lot of that early disco rap shit.

ESG should get a mention too for being a band playing rap instrumentals

 

[luka]

i love funky four plus one more and also the disco four

 

[woops]

force mcs are a bit shit though

 

[DannyL]

The interesting thing about so much of the early stuff is how different it is lyrically and conceptually. Its all Zulu Nation peace love and unity party music and/or very much aimed at kids - has a 14/15 year old sensibility, shit like Doug E Fresh and Whistle. Going back the gangsta conversation above, to my mind, that doesn't come in 'til about '86 with Just Ice and BDP. That was the first rap I heard that actually sounded a bit menacing.

 

[luka]

theyre from staten island. wu tang worshipped them

 

[woops]

The interesting thing about so much of the early stuff is how different it is lyrically and conceptually. Going back the gangsta conversation above, to my mind, that doesn't come in 'til about '86 with Just Ice and BDP. That was the first rap I heard that actually sounded a bit menacing.

i know what you mean but one of the MCs in the club in Wild Style is holding a rifle while rapping always thought that was pretty mad

 

[woops]

theyre from staten island. wu tang worshipped them

thats mad as well never knew that

 

[DannyL]

That's Ramellezee of Beat Bop fame IIRC (in Wild Style with the shooter)

 

[luka]

thats mad as well never knew that

i think a lot of their reputation came from live shows though, the routines they did on stage

 

[woops]

i think a lot of their reputation came from live shows though, the routines they did on stage

well yeah that's why i say they were a bit rubbish, doing rubbish unison chants and stuff, not rapping at all

 

[woops]

anyway i've just listened to that ghostface track, really good actually although that album's never been on my list of wu-tang albums. everyone on there sounds like wu-tang to me though. what do the experts say @WebEschatology @luka

 

[luka]

force mds are doing the dirgey singing i think

 

[woops]

force mds are doing the dirgey singing i think

ah right so not rapping there either.

 

[luka]

no

 

[woops]

i stand by my inital point then

 

[luka]

that albums pretty good but not nearly as cohesive or consistent as cuban linx/liquid swords or 36 chambers for that matter