Clinamenic
LLC
Before Bukowski, I had never truly considered the aesthetic dimension of the beer shits.
What is it about French literature and all this scatological stuff? Most of the French stuff at the beginning of that poems for the millenium anthology is like this too. It's all really well written but it leaves you feeling dirty and horrible afterwards. Sometimes you wish you'd never read it, you could do without it in your life.its true. edmund recommended every french novel ever written. i also asked jim who summarised the genre as
'the sickly gout ridden nihilist outsider who is actually having a really great time hating everybody but eventually
succumbs to madness and is consumed'
This "not allowed to" thing is a recent thing and I think is a massive misconception. Andrea Dworkin and Kate Millett were actually huge admirers of people like Miller and Ginsberg and Genet and Tolstoy and DH Lawrence etc even as they were criticising them. They definitely weren't saying "you're not allowed to write this" like some do these days.id write one definitely if i had the concentration span. probably feminists would tell me im not allowed to be an alienated man too clever for a modern society that has no use for me but we can't let them spoil our fun
i dont think youre supposed to have that kind of self-valorisation now. you should have an ironic attitude towards yourself. no drama.It is interesting that writing like that isn't really 'allowed' these days though isn't it?
It's definitely a thing with the French in particular. You get it in the theory stuff like D&G and Bataille and you've got de Sade and a bunch of other filthy novelists like that Guyotat guy Craner likes and Robbe-Grillet; some of the notorious English stuff was published in France first too: Naked Lunch, Ulysses, Miller's Tropics.What is it about French literature and all this scatological stuff? Most of the French stuff at the beginning of that poems for the millenium anthology is like this too. It's all really well written but it leaves you feeling dirty and horrible afterwards. Sometimes you wish you'd never read it, you could do without it in your life.
Not just the French obviously, but you can't help but notice it.