Music you pretended to like

woops

woops

is not like other people
lets say i used to have a fair few noise/improvised distortion records and every once in a while i could hear it cross the line from noise into music.
 
woops

woops

is not like other people
and some of it i just wanted cos underground vinyl init. hand made sleeve or whatever
 
subvert47

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
woops said:
trust me theres a whole different universe of it out there, masonna, aube, CCCC, hijokaidan, incapacitants and a loooooot more

i agree though you often ask yourself why am i listening
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That's the kind of stuff I go and see live :)
 
subvert47

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
DLaurent said:
Whitehouse. Ok I kind of like it but never enough to really listen that much. There's an element of pretence to listening to it but I think that's part of the point?
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I just think Whitehouse are funny. As in ha ha. Not sure if that's the point or not.
 
subvert47

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
mvuent

mvuent

Void Dweller
entertainment said:
well for one thing, is it really funny? like actually laughing funny? it's "humorous" sure, but those kinds of words are just excuses.

the whole dada thing just registers as a sort of comfortable weirdness. for weirdness to have any value, it has to engage itself with some deeper level of "normalcy," everyday ways of being and seeing and constructing onself. the role of irony is to pull these taken-for-granted expressions out of their context and show them to be contingent and constructed so the deeper foundations are called into question. weirdness has to be existential, in another word.

when you are weird like trout mask replica is weird, saying all these absurd subversive things, then there is a claim involved that you have taken a step outside of everyday reality. otherwise what are you really doing? and to me there's is something in the music that doesn't hold up to that. something in the voice particularly I think. but also in the ambition of the music. yes it sounds strange to the ear but in another way it's still safe and normal. emotionally it just continues to feel sort of grounded in everyday expressions. so the weirdness becomes sort of shallow to me.

whereas the Buckley album, there is another wheightlessness to it completely. it sounds to me is someone who has really taken that step, cut off his footing in everyday normalcy, and is floating freely. the weirdness becomes psychedelic.

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i think it's funny (and i don't find zappa funny). sorry but i just have no idea how to connect what you've written to what i'm hearing when i put the album on. are there any formal qualities you could pin your (characteristically thoughtful, ofc) impression on, or specific moments you could mention?
 
Murphy

Murphy

cat malogen
version said:
There's a fishing documentary called Tarpon with a decent Jimmy Buffett soundtrack; nice and lazy with shimmering shots of the Key West waters.

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synchronously downloaded Fishing With John for my brother, the angling addict, this week

subvert47 said:
How about...?




On which note...


He's just a great bluesman...




And...






Never much liked Clear Spot, but okay, I'll go and listen to it again.
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Tarotplane is rambunctious rackety groove. Experienced the full weight of Beefheart prejudices when I did Verison’s 23 thread
 
mvuent

mvuent

Void Dweller
people always cite mirror man as a sort of stepping stone to trout mask replica but in a way it's a very different album. it's groove-based rather than melody-based. its structures flex and buckle considerably without breaking rather than constantly shattering and rebuilding.
 
Murphy

Murphy

cat malogen
entertainment

entertainment

Well-known member
mvuent said:
i think it's funny (and i don't find zappa funny). sorry but i just have no idea how to connect what you've written to what i'm hearing when i put the album on. are there any formal qualities you could pin your (characteristically thoughtful, ofc) impression on, or specific moments you could mention?
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it's a blues record, but then what is the point of the experimentation? what does it communicate to you?

it just doesn't register as anything interesting in my ears. there is nothing there but quirkiness, jack the dullard music, an old drunk smelling his farts.

it's a new synthesis, sure, it has qualities of jazz. but feel none of the kinetic pleasures i feel with jazz. compared to post-bop music it sounds closed off, asocial.

sorry mate I just don't like it at all.
 
line b

line b

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I think trout mask sounds very freeing- not via a breaking the rules, intellectual understanding of freedom, but liberatory in the way any standard rock song might sound. thats the emotional core of the album, its yeaning and bombastic and celebratory with an interesting texture pattern and as mvuent already pointed out, very good melodies
 
line b

line b

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the other type of song on the album is the evil clown circus music song, but I think it works with what theyre working with. It sounds like what tom waits could sound like if he wasnt such a coward
 
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