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Conservative MPs, hard-right media personalities, and US-backed Christian anti-abortion charities are working to spread their anti-abortion agenda ahead of a parliamentary debate on legislation that would stop women being imprisoned for terminating a pregnancy after 24 weeks.

Emboldened by their success in the United States with the Dobbs decision – the 2022 Supreme Court decision that overturned the right to safe and legal abortion in the US – groups such as the Alliance Defending Freedom and the Edmund Burke Foundation are now seeking to rollback progress on reproductive rights around the world.

Their campaigns in the UK are based on strategies honed and perfected in the US. They use language shaped over decades to seed anti-abortion falsehoods that begin on social media before becoming talking points on conservative-friendly TV stations modelled on right-wing US news channels and far-right podcasts. Crucially, those behind the campaigns also invest millions of dollars to push their agenda in the UK.

 
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Here's some news for Open Democracy: aborted people can't vote. Here's some news for abortion fans: MSI changed their name from Marie Stopes International because someone pointed out that Marie Stopes was a top-class eugenicist and racist - that's the genealogy of the abortion movement.

@version may be surprised to learn that in that thought experiment where people are asked if it would be moral to go back in time to murder Version because he's just stolen their parking space, thus preventing it from ever happening, it was found to be immoral to do so after his birth but perfectly fine 2 minutes before - when seeking either to kill someone or find a parking space, seizing that window of opportunity is critical.
 
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The left appear to have only one type of argument these days: x are incontrovertibly bad people, x like thing y, therefore y is bad. Aristotle called it the 'you've got cooties argument'.
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
Here's some news for Open Democracy: aborted people can't vote. Here's some news for abortion fans: MSI changed their name from Marie Stopes International because someone pointed out that Marie Stopes was a top-class eugenicist and racist - that's the genealogy of the abortion movement.
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You must be so conflicted about this.
 
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and, whilst abortion after rape has rarely been permitted on an individual level, in the case of say, Bosnia and Algeria it has been permitted. But this is a scholarly controversy open to interpretation.

Even on an individual level it is unclear as it cannot be said that rape is unforced adultery.

The symposium thinks that it is permissible to use it to prevent, treat or mitigate disease, whether through gene surgery which replaces one gene with another or inserts a gene into the patient’s cells, or inserts a gene into another living being in order to replicate that gene in larger numbers so that it may be used to treat some diseases. However, use of genetic engineering on reproductive cells should be prevented, because of the shar‘i reservations concerning that.
The symposium affirms the necessity of states providing such services to their citizens of modest income who need it, because it is very costly to provide.
The symposium thinks that it is not permissible to use genetic engineering for evil purposes or to cross the genetic barrier between different species for the purpose of creating hybrid beings for the purpose of entertainment or out of scientific curiosity.
Similarly, the symposium thinks that it is not permissible to use genetic engineering as a means of changing the genetic structure for the purpose of what is called eugenics, or any attempt to tamper with the genetic make-up of humans, or to interfere with an individual’s ability to be individually responsible. All of these are matters that are prohibited according to Islamic teachings. …
The symposium does not think that there is anything wrong, in Islamic terms, with using genetic engineering in the fields of agriculture and animal husbandry, but the symposium cannot ignore the voices that have recently warned of the possibility of long-term harm that could affect humans, animals, agriculture or the environment, and it thinks that companies and factories that produce foods of animal or vegetable origin should point out to the public anything offered for sale that is produced through genetic engineering (or genetic modification – GMO), so that the purchaser will be aware of what he is buying. The symposium also recommends monitoring the consequences of genetic modification of foods, and they should follow the advice and recommendations of the US Food and Drug Administration, the World Health Organisation and the World Food Programme in particular.
The symposium notes the necessity of establishing organizations to protect and educate consumers in the Muslim world.
In other recommendations, it says:
12. The scholars of the Muslim world should write books simplifying scientific information about heredity and genetic engineering, so as to spread awareness and support concerning this issue.
13. Muslim countries should introduce genetic engineering through a program of education at various levels, paying particular attention to university studies and postgraduate education."(Majallat Majma‘ al-Fiqh al-Islami, issue no. 11, Vol. 3, p.533).
Based on that, there is nothing wrong with studying human genetic engineering and using it for beneficial and permissible purposes only.
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other_life said:
judaism!
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I thought it was more that abortion wasn't permitted on demand.

which is basically a way of saying legally yes, practically no.

in islam it's the reverse, legally no, practically sometimes.

Although this probably gets into the hermeneutics of Halakha and sharia, but never mind...

Anyway far from me be it to say this but Americans have a habit of making Judaism ultra liberal. They're doing the same to Islam as well. Crimes of Anglicanism for you!
 
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