Notes from a suburban raver - DannyL's list

[DannyL]

Oh he's the butt of endless jokes here too, but seemingly for different reasons.

Thanks Rich

 

[thirdform]

yeah, this is what I was on about above mentioning The Stones. The above sentence is a kind of extension of Rich's now-forgotten statement. Or rather it puts it in a cultural context.

Related is the fact that the music in this thread was hard to hear when it first came out - I think that's probably totally invisible to someone Gus's age, but because it was popular black music there wasn't any official channels to hear it.

@blissblogger once said that him championing the black avant-garde was in part also a call for white pop culture to get its act together. Now I can't speak about that cos I ain't white, but i think that makes a lot of sense, especially for the British proletarian male. Rock music since the 80s is just too emotionally inhibited, regardless of the race of the performers making it.

 

[thirdform]

but this emotional incontinence also makes sense. Part of being a middle class person in this country, and why the middle class are prone to self-hatred, is that because they are only a step above their inferiors, they must always keep up this facade of being aloof.

Now I'm not willing to defend Lydon but when he was like he wanted reez-Mogg to run for leader after Bo Jo I was like yes, this makes total sense. It's that theatrical pageantry of posh wankers that your average liberal just doesn't have.

 

[thirdform]

In America even a deadbeat imperialist like Clinton will call herself middle class, as if she owns a small shop selling tea and crumpets.

People say Americans deny race, but I tend to disagree. If anything they transplant all their racial anxieties into denying class. I've seen this from ostensible leftists as well. Someone once told me that class analysis makes no sense in America because racism, which was the biggest load of codswallop I ever heard.

The middle class in this country are so insidiously self-centred precisely because they are conscious of how ephemeral their position is in this country's economic history. They are always, without fail, at perpetual war with each other.

It's why Thatcherism had to transmute into Blairism. You could never really have a Mit Romney type figure in the UK.

 

[IdleRich]

Thanks Rich

Sorry mate, it was just there, I tried to resist... I tried hard but I couldn't prevent my fingers from writing that out.

 

[sus]

The nice thing about having thirdform around is that whenever I feel bad I'm not being charitable enough, or misinterpreting people, he's shows up slinging stones so poorly aimed you can kick back and watch em arc over you

 

[sus]

Wash is like a buzzard, safely circling from a considered distance, only swooping in with a 'like' when he smells blood

 

[thirdform]

but this emotional incontinence also makes sense. Part of being a middle class person in this country, and why the middle class are prone to self-hatred, is that because they are only a step above their inferiors, they must always keep up this facade of being aloof.

Now I'm not willing to defend Lydon but when he was like he wanted reez-Mogg to run for leader after Bo Jo I was like yes, this makes total sense. It's that theatrical pageantry of posh wankers that your average liberal just doesn't have.

one thing that the punk consensus tends to elide is that British prog, supposedly the whitest of the white genres, was big in Black America. Especially Yes, Gentle Giant, that sort of thing.

This ties back into my assertion that prog as being the gentrrification of rock can't really be supported as a coherent position. Certainly, prog was more hi-falutin than 60s garage, but the emotional bombast was expressed in grandiose, quasi-sci fi concepts.

By the middle of the 80s though, the dominant rock sound had retreated into every day social realism. And I mean, where is the fun in that?

We all know that Mobb Deep weren't the hard core gangstas from the streets they would like to have us believe, which is precisely why Rock you in your face, stab your brain with your nose bone is even more potent. Just cos of how surreal of an image it is.

 

[thirdform]

The nice thing about having thirdform around is that whenever I feel bad I'm not being charitable enough, or misinterpreting people, he's shows up slinging stones so poorly aimed you can kick back and watch em arc over you

then it's a ruddy shame you haven't made a dent in my armour.

 

[sus]

Danny for what it's worth I spent a year taking courses in African American music history, wrote a 90 page dissertation on how cultural hybridity in the US fueled unprecedented musical innovation from 1890-1950 (and beyond, but not my area of focus). So I'm not deaf to these issues. But I tend to think "black" music and "white" music are each so hybridized the term becomes meaningless. The role of Irish ballads and the western classical tradition in, say, the emergence of jazz, is pretty well established. To me personally, the cultural hybridity theory of cultural innovation—perhaps combined with light class theory—is more compelling account than black > white.

But your stance is reasonable and I don't begrudge your holding it and I apologize for my initial comment.

 

[sus]

then it's a ruddy shame you haven't made a dent in my armour.

I've never tried third. If you search your memory you'll realize I've never attacked you—only defended myself.

 

[thirdform]

I've never tried third. If you search your memory you'll realize I've never attacked you—only defended myself.

yes, I know you're a coward. Next.

 

[IdleRich]

It is interesting though because in the US, characters like Danny are the butt of endless jokes, cf Atlanta S1E9's Craig. Whereas in the UK apparently these sorts of regressive tendencies pass as progressive? Different discourses I guess.

This guy you liken Dan to in Atlanta, I'm looking at pictures and looks like he's white. Are you saying that Dan is a white guy who makes a fool of himself with his relationship to black culture?

I suppose that what I'm ultimately asking here is, do you think that Dan is white?

 

[thirdform]

people would respect you if your winding up had a satirical element to it instead of just coming across like Ricky Gervais.

 

[sus]

This guy you liken Dan to in Atlanta, I'm looking at pictures and looks like he's white. Are you saying that Dan is a white guy who makes a fool of himself with his relationship to black culture?

I suppose that what I'm ultimately asking here is, do you think that Dan is white?

I did, yes!

 

[sus]

people would respect you if your winding up had a satirical element to it instead of just coming across like Ricky Gervais.

this purported ideal of conformity and impressing other board members is really funny lol

Like trying to win over the other patients in the insane asylum

It's a reasonable idea if you're trying to stage a breakout and overthrow the nursing staff; otherwise it's a really silly project

 

[IdleRich]

I did, yes!

It's not really my place to reveal personal, or simply real-life if personal is not the right word, details about other posters... but you might be barking up the wrong tree there.

 

[sus]

I just assumed everyone is like me until proven otherwise it keeps it simple. Danny are you gifted in the melatonin department?

 

[sus]

I don't care I've already apologized and I meant it. Thirdform can go eat a nut. But I meant what I said otherwise.

 

[thirdform]

I don't care I've already apologized and I meant it. Thirdform can go eat a nut. But I meant what I said otherwise.

lol.

Frankly the forum would be better without your muh i'm so oppressed hypervictimisation shtick.

You're good for stringing along, and we can derive vicarious pleasure from laughing at you, not laughing with you. Otherwise you're just hothoused.