william_kent

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I can't link to "Let The Fire Burn" documentary so this Vice short will have to do

one of my favourite cults gets destroyed by the Philly PD, who dropped a bomb on the cult house and took out at least two streets of unrelated houses


The Day The Police Dropped A Bomb On Philidelphia

M-O-V-E


what is MOVE?


MOVE - The Confrontation
 

william_kent

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edit: I tell a lie! Here's the MOVE documentary


LET THE FIRE BURN

shocking

Philly PD prepared to destroy at least 32 homes just because they didn't like that in one house some people were not washing their hair

everyone should watch this
 

version

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Didn't @yyaldrin very nearly get inducted into some sinister group by, and I quote, "Daddy"?

It was "Papa".

not sure if i told this story already but:

i was invited to an “art performance“, together with a friend and a friend of him. we didn’t have any info. when we arrive we realize the address is just a regular apartment on the ground floor. we ring the bell and a girl wearing a white toga opens. she scans us and slams the door shut again. we wait a bit, not sure what to do and after a few seconds she opens the door again and tells us we are allowed in. the apartment is completely white, everything, from walls to ceilings to furniture. there’s about 15 people inside and they are all wearing these toga’s, but they’re half naked, boobs and genitals everywhere. they are all young and beautiful. one of the girls tells me to sit next to her, and she then starts to tell how she had a mental breakdown some weeks ago in the supermarket and it was then that she met a guy called “papa“, who helped her and took her into his family. at one point they all sit down in a circle and start singing a song about this “papa“, they all know the lyrics perfectly. they don’t have names but call themselves by the letters of the greek alphabet (alpha, beta, gamma, etc). i wanted to roll a cigarette but was not allowed to use my own tobacco and had to use theirs. well, it goes on a bit longer and more of them tell me stories about “papa“. i thought it was all a joke then one asks me if i want to meet him. i was like sure why not. so a girl takes me to the corner of the room and it looks like they just drilled a hole in it, a ladder is going down into a basement. it’s dark but there are some candles spread around. she takes of her toga and is now completely naked. then she takes of my shoes, my socks, pants and so on. until i’m naked too. she doesn’t say a word during all of this. actually i don’t know why at that point i didn’t say or do anything. curiosity maybe? she then blindfolds me. she takes my hand and guides me through the basement, we stop and she washes my feet and hands with warm water. she then puts her arms around me and is doing some sort of breathings exercises. i’m sweaty and a bit afraid. we move further and at one point she tells me to sit down, i do and she sits herself behind me and gives me a massage. then i suddenly hear a low male voice, asking me “who are you“. i’m guessing this is “papa“ (i’m still naked and blindfolded). well i’m really a bit frightened now and he’s asking me some more questions until he says i’m ready for the ritual with the candle. tells me i can pick any of the family members to help me with this ritual, i tell him i forgot their names but would prefer if one of the girls could help (no intention, i’m just thinking about my safety, i’m not the strongest). so another girl comes down, takes my hand and we move further inside this basement until she tells me i can take of the blindfold. in front of me is an altar with a painting of a guy (i guess “papa“?), the room is lit by about hundred candles. well the story is a bit of an anti-climax because i’m now being told i can do a wish, carve the first letter of that wish into a candle and light it. i’m escorted to the ladder again, put on my cloths and go up. in order to not look like panicking i stay there for another fifteen minutes before i sneak out.

the whole thing lasted around two hours, not a single person laughed, or blinked or gave me any hints that this was theater. i didn't know what was real or fake anymore, i thought i was the crazy one.

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version

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Philly PD prepared to destroy at least 32 homes just because they didn't like that in one house some people were not washing their hair
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padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
someone tried gently recruit me into this after i unwittingly went into one of their delis for coffee in vermont. i ordered a coffee and then the dude lured me into a conversation talking about the 80s punk east village thing. we chatted for an hour or so and then he arranged a ride to the airport for me in one of the cult's vans, coz the bus i was going to get didn't exist. that was really handy. i had exactly the same haircut already as the haircut all the guys in the cult have, i genuinely thought i'd landed in some hipster outpost at first. the guy they got to drive the bus was a bit more open about some of their beliefs than the more guarded dude in the cafe, in particular a thing about needing to breed and raise a pure and uncorrupted group of children, who would be the only people to survive the imminent day of judgement. in the cafe there was this massive 60s-style mural about how the hippy revolution failed; the 60s seem to play a big role in their way of thinking about the world.

it was the day that kandahar and herat fell so i was a bit of a mess, i was on a bus through vermont reading about place after place falling and in a million paniced whatsapp conversations. i had to catch a little 8 seat plane to go to boston from this tiny little airstrip coz it was still the pandemic and it was the only way to get from vermont to massachusetts, that was a pretty intense day.

america for some reason seems to be fertile ground for cults. and fairly extreme (by UK standards) religious sects. i don't know loads about it, but there is a quite large bit of williamsburg which is mostly (?) populated by satmar hasidic jews. there's a certain level of tolerance for that here. land of the free and all that.

As I may or may not have mentioned before, I spent almost my entire adolescence kicking around New England, plenty familiar with the Twelve Tribes. Very much a Rastafarian/Black Israelite vibe, except White hippies - organic/natural everything combined with millennarian Christianity, rigid gender roles and extreme patriarchy, etc. Pretty hilarious - no offense - to imagine some unassuming European being accidentally recruited thru misunderstanding. They stick out immediately to anyone familiar with them.

There's a few of those like hippieish Christian maybe cult situations. Another is here in Chicago, the Jesus People, who are more like Tolstoyan Christian Socialists I think? But maybe also a cult. They have a like communal apartment building in uptown. There are some punks too. I met a couple one night when I was 15 or 16 and I remember them trying to explain their deal to me, like a whole Jesus punks thing.

Yet another group I encountered numerous times in my trainriding days, idk their name, but the men all had long beards and wear these like smock tunics but were otherwise basically hippies. They'd came out hang out and tt the crusties on street sometimes. The woman also wore the smocks, as well as a full-on Handmaiden's Tale bonnet thing. They'd occasion leave us like homemade baked goods but would never speak to us bc they weren't allowed to talk to men (or maybe outsiders in general)?

And yeah Williamsburg is the Satmars. They also have a town in southern NY, Kiryas Joel. It has - this is true - both the youngest median age and highest poverty rate of any town in the country, bc the families all have a million kids and none of the men work (they just study Torah etc all day - I forget the name, it's like kollak or kollech or something like that I think).
 

william_kent

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Twelve Tribes

I've seen a few things by "hikers" about how the Yellow Deli on the Appalachian Trail is a white supremacist twelve tribes net to trap unsuspecting pure blood white hill walkers into the 14 words

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it's confusing because in the UK we have an unrelated twelve tribes which is a full on african carribean rasta org*

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* a friend of mine works with a full on 12 tribes rasta lady who bangs on about HAARP, who refused to wear a mask during lockdown because of SCAMDEMIC, and maybe believes in UFOs
 

version

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There was a severely mentally ill woman who used to wander into a church my mum worked at and hiss and scream at the people doing the service. A member of the clergy said she'd been abducted by a Satanic cult near Birmingham or somewhere and psychologically broken by the whole thing.
 

shakahislop

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And yeah Williamsburg is the Satmars. They also have a town in southern NY, Kiryas Joel. It has - this is true - both the youngest median age and highest poverty rate of any town in the country, bc the families all have a million kids and none of the men work (they just study Torah etc all day - I forget the name, it's like kollak or kollech or something like that I think).
it's pure madness that a hungarian sect has managed to take over and comprehensively control such a commercially viable bit of brooklyn, and such a large area as well. i mean that isn't a small enclave, it's massive, it's right smack in the middle of the gentrified brookyn swathe. and it's pretty much all satmars from what i understand. i'd assumed they were hasidic jews at large, rather than one sub-division. again, the kind of thing that seems much more part of the american fabric, there is something more permissive and accepting in the US i think.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
There was a severely mentally ill woman who used to wander into a church my mum worked at and hiss and scream at the people doing the service. A member of the clergy said she'd been abducted by a Satanic cult near Birmingham or somewhere and psychologically broken by the whole thing.
The idea of 'Satanism' sounds like a glaring anachronism in the 21st century, but you can never quite totally discard the idea that there might be groups operating on this kind of level even today. There was the whole 'satanic panic' of the 80s/90s which turned out to be nothing, but ritual abuse is a genuine phenomenon, and often comes from people who think they're fighting evil forces, rather than working with them (exorcisms and so on).

Obviously the whole thing has become a bogeyman for the Christian right in both the USA and Russia.
 

version

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The idea of 'Satanism' sounds like a glaring anachronism in the 21st century, but you can never quite totally discard the idea that there might be groups operating on this kind of level even today. There was the whole 'satanic panic' of the 80s/90s which turned out to be nothing, but ritual abuse is a genuine phenomenon, and often comes from people who think they're fighting evil forces, rather than working with them (exorcisms and so on).

Obviously the whole thing has become a bogeyman for the Christian right in both the USA and Russia.

There are Satanic elements within the far right too.

 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
There are Satanic elements within the far right too.


Atomwaffen’s satanism-heavy reading list has apparently driven away some former members who were only in the group for the Nazism.

It's good to know they have some standards, at least.
 

version

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It's surreal that it's public knowledge one of Hollywood's biggest stars is a member of a bizarre cult alleged to have disappeared people and all sorts and everything's business as usual.
 
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