The Jung Ones

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blissblogger

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Has anyone spent any time with Carl J? I've only picked it up secondhand and even then only faintly.

Worth exploring, or a load of cobblers?
 
linebaugh

linebaugh

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The book of his that I see everywhere, man and his symbols, I thought was shit but apparently it was meant to accompany a tv show and is a watered down representation of his thoughts for the masses. I have another collection of his that ive only read the intro for but liked that.
 
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version

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His thoughts on Ulysses are worth a read.

Jung’s Essay on Ulysses – Jung Currents

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It is therefore quite comprehensible that a prophet should arise to teach our culture a compensatory lack of feeling. Prophets are always disagreeable and usually have bad manners, but it is said they occasionally hit the nail on the head. There are, as we know, major and minor prophets, and history will decide to which of them Joyce belongs. Like every true prophet, the artist is the unwitting mouth-piece of the psychic secrets of his time, and is often as unconscious as a sleep walker…’Ulysses’ is a ‘document humain’ of our time and, what is more, it harbours a secret. It can release the spiritually bound, and its coldness can freeze all sentimentality–and even normal feeling–to the marrow. But these salutary effects do not exhaust its powers…There is life in it, and life is never exclusively evil and destructive…it wants to be an eye of the moon, a consciousness detached from the object, in thrall neither to the gods nor to sensuality, and bound neither by love nor hate, neither by conviction nor by prejudice ‘Ulysses’ does not preach this but practices it–detachment of consciousness is the goal that shimmers through the fog of this book. This, surely, is its real secret, the secret of a new cosmic consciousness..
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And his Face to Face interview with the BBC is good.

 
WashYourHands

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
once in a generational talent

you could read around certain core texts in their heavy academic style but would encourage a reading/viewing of The Red Book aka Liber Novus

if you can access the mothership version as opposed to the shorter renditions (library crew!), it’s an uncompromising interrogation of the self taken to the precipice of madness (and beyond), walking said line for extended periods listening out for what howls back and transcribing the results

Sonu Shamdasani did the foreword - he can do superb presentations and fairly tedious ones, so take your pick from current YT listings
 
pattycakes_

pattycakes_

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A great way in is to listen to James Hillman talk about him. An American scholar who spent a lot of time in his company in Switzerland and breaks it all down quite nicely.

Try this 7 hour lecture for starters




Or this slightly shorter one for the faint of heart



The fact that he lived a relatively normal life for several years, (traveling & giving lectures, being a psychologist and a family man) while putting the Red Book together says a lot about him.
 
william_kent

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other_life said:
well he's antisemitic innit
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he's an important figure in the development of "Esoteric Hitlerism"

In the book Black Sun, Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke reports how Carl Gustav Jung described "Hitler as possessed by the archetype of the collective Aryan unconscious and could not help obeying the commands of an inner voice". In a series of interviews between 1936 and 1939, Jung characterized Hitler as an archetype, often manifesting itself to the complete exclusion of his own personality. "'Hitler is a spiritual vessel, a demi-divinity; even better, a myth. Benito Mussolini is a man' ... the messiah of Germany who teaches the virtue of the sword. 'The voice he hears is that of the collective unconscious of his race'".[22]

Jung's suggestion that Hitler personified the collective Aryan unconscious deeply interested and influenced Miguel Serrano, who later concluded that Jung was merely psychologizing the ancient, sacred mystery of archetypal possession by the gods, independent metaphysical powers that rule over their respective races and occasionally possess their members
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luka

luka

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so many brilliant suggestive ideas. no wonder his ideas are everywhere you look.
 
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blissblogger

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I like the fact that Freud was so threatened by him he fainted in his presence - twice, on different occasions.

He said something to the effect that he felt Jung was projecting a very strong death wish against him.
 
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