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you can see also a struggle over the pace of a converastion when two people are talking adverserially and deliberately slowing down a fast paced talker can be a method of control. you see it in snooker too, ronnie the rocket gets very incensed at slow players, so they do it more to wind him up. chess is another arena where these tatcics are used. people vary in speed of process to such an extent that tempo becomes a habitual battleground.

That's what Barcelona would often do. Keep possession, dictate the tempo. Incredibly demoralising for the opponent.

There are ways of writing which force slowness on the reader too.
 

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you can see also a struggle over the pace of a converastion when two people are talking adverserially and deliberately slowing down a fast paced talker can be a method of control. you see it in snooker too, ronnie the rocket gets very incensed at slow players, so they do it more to wind him up. chess is another arena where these tatcics are used. people vary in speed of process to such an extent that tempo becomes a habitual battleground.
In turn based games you try to rush the opponent at the start so that you end up thinking on their time.
 

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I’d like to hear what Suspenders Sr is honing in on with his 25%, what musical inheritances are being passed on has to be scrutinised, no bunk shall pass, if you have kids of your own you’ll never forgive yourself for this missed opportunity @sus

Irish-American can mean anything it wants, I’ve lived it - the New, the redefined, the past just went away one day, £ to $, stirring its mix of poor huddled masses and shitting out Americans .. exceptions everywhere of course
 
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I love the song Arthur McBride it's my favorite song in the whole world it's practically my anthem, my aspirational theme song. Try to conscript me at your own hazard, lobsterback!
 

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He had a bagpipes compilation album he always played. I think "Midnight Walker" was on it. I liked that one.
 

shakahislop

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it probably gets captured by all kinds of commercial forces, and some of the bullshit in the air. looking back in time at your roots to get a sense of your place in the world is ancient and very human though. trying to make sense of how you came to be and of what you've experienced in your life. western cultures at least compared to eg afghanistan are very present-oriented. but all that is a lie no. you're the consequence of things that happened a hundred years before. a long echo of historical events
 
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shakahislop

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i have some of the same mannerisms that my grandmother has the old countryside living on. you can see it in other people as well. italian-rooted americans slamming thier hand on the table when they're angry.
 
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shakahislop

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the world makes a lot more sense from that perspective when you go right back there's a sense as well that you are absolved from responsibility a better sense that you have been born in some strange conditions and you're still trying to make sense of it
 
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shakahislop

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half of the -isms that people get properly into feminism etc grab you coz they take you out of yourself and put you into a long lineage of things that happened a hundred years before you were born the british left-wing thing of understanding the world with reference to the slow erosion of the 1950s equality and welfare state etc
 
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shakahislop

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tarkovsky kali malone sunno))) low planetarium yoga meditation its all about slowness all technologies for slowing down the pace of your perception at the same time everyday life especially the internet the phone are technologies for speeding things up. they're pharmaceuticals
 
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it probably gets captured by all kinds of commercial forces, and some of the bullshit in the air. looking back in time at your roots to get a sense of your place in the world is ancient and very human though. trying to make sense of how you came to be and of what you've experienced in your life. western cultures at least compared to eg afghanistan are very present-oriented. but all that is a lie no. you're the consequence of things that happened a hundred years before. a long echo of historical events
I'm very interested in this line of thinking. That my values and mannerisms are partly downstream of Protestant Catholic tensions across the Atlantic in 1900. It's just very very difficult to trace those influences in nonstereotyped, nonclumsy ways
 

shakahislop

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I'm very interested in this line of thinking. That my values and mannerisms are partly downstream of Protestant Catholic tensions across the Atlantic in 1900. It's just very very difficult to trace those influences in nonstereotyped, nonclumsy ways
the stereotypes are definitely a barrier and they're out to get you cloud your judgement. irishness probably in particular. the pogues and mcnulty and ben affleck. the american idea of ireland
 

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@shakahislop do you think there is less class stratification/prejudice in the States than England/Europe? Or just manifests differently? I listened to an interview with the Hardy/Austen/Woolf biographer Paula Byrne recently, who had moved to Arizona from Oxford, and she said it was very different here. That she didn't get shit for her cockney accent. But also maybe that's just about Americans being oblivious to english class subtleties
 

shakahislop

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@shakahislop do you think there is less class stratification/prejudice in the States than England/Europe? Or just manifests differently? I listened to an interview with the Hardy/Austen/Woolf biographer Paula Byrne recently, who had moved to Arizona from Oxford, and she said it was very different here. That she didn't get shit for her cockney accent. But also maybe that's just about Americans being oblivious to english class subtleties
i think that's false premises i.e. can you really even start to transpose uk social categories onto somewhere as different as the US it usually makes a mess when you try to do that. the language of class in general is so outdated as to be useless or worse totally misleading the language of 'working class' 'middle class' 'upper class' is as outdated as 'proletariat' and 'bourgoise' we need the woke wordsmiths who have invented and socialised so much new language let loose on all of that we need neologisms
 
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