Spendy learns about poetry and luke and woops and benny and jenks help teach him things
sus
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Not too late jenks you can come here and school a young whippersnapper. I've been thinking about rhythm a lot, meter, where it comes from, how natural it is, how much it varies across languages.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
My favorite passage from vegetable empire, stops me in my tracks every time.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
I imagine an unsuspecting, bumbling tourist receiving that gem and it spiraling them into a state of sublime dissociation.
pattycakes
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@Clinamenic going super saiyan damn son
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
As luke knows my deep capacity for cruelty and pettiness is perhaps my most human characteristic
pattycakes
Well-known member
Is there no end to your savagery
jenks
thread death
I think a lot about rhythm and structure when I teach poetry - mainly because so often students just want to talk about the 'meaning' rather than the manner in which it is written - the shaped and structured nature of a text.
In terms of how 'natural' it is - well, my guess is that it was essential when poetry first started - the necessity of rhythm as a memory device for the bards to be able to learn long poems/sagas.
In terms of now - in English verse reading there has definitely a move to a more 'natural' reading voice for poetry and most evident in the way Shakespeare's verse is read aloud - if you listen to old poets and actors there was definitely a more declamatory voice - something that sounds jarring to a modern ear. The idea that iambic patterns are more in keeping with conversational English has become a truism but reading the blank verse of Wordsworth against the same form by Frost feels very different rhythmically. Obviously the French tradition is different - based on syllables - @woops can correct me if i am wrong on this and i think this is partly based on the different stress patterning of individual languages.
sus
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sus
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Very interesting. Completely unreadable. Not meant to be read. I know we've talked about the unreadability of e.g. Prynne but this is on another scale
sus
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Maybe the Laughing Fox & Brian Ang can become IG buds & DM: https://www.instagram.com/totalitycantos/
sus
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He has a text that talks about his method over at Jacket https://jacket2.org/article/hejinian-assemblage
I wrote The Totality Cantos from the desire to be interested in everything, open to the totality of discourses. I suppressed proper nouns for their centralizing effects and verbs for their striating of subjects and objects that reduced connections among words producing what I call “smooth syntax” increasing connections among words extending sense in all direction
I wrote The Totality Cantos from the desire to be interested in everything, open to the totality of discourses. I suppressed proper nouns for their centralizing effects and verbs for their striating of subjects and objects that reduced connections among words producing what I call “smooth syntax” increasing connections among words extending sense in all direction
Benny Bunter
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luka
Well-known member
You can see how this stuff operates and have a pretty good guess at the attitudes and assumptions that underpin it
All future apparent positivist interfaith nirvana protest promises
transition childe eye gender choirmaster fraud
Notated devotion writing context castes
Handsome fleshy clever commune speech supplement backstabbing weakness minorities
All future apparent positivist interfaith nirvana protest promises
transition childe eye gender choirmaster fraud
Notated devotion writing context castes
Handsome fleshy clever commune speech supplement backstabbing weakness minorities