Benny Bunter

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Minutes to Go is cool. I'd like to see more of Gysin's stuff.

There's a section in Ticket that references him a lot, a sort of exhibition with lights and projections and magnetic installations, you can imagine it as a nightclub or a rave almost
 

version

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Someone put me onto a Frenchman called Jacques Dupin today. Just reading through a selection Paul Auster put together. Not bowled over by it, but there's been the odd line or two. A lot of talk of fire and lightning and shattering and stone, which I tend to like.

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"Outside, charnel-houses fill the beds of rivers lost beneath the
earth. The rock, stripped of its foliage, is sister of the cleaving
sky. Event precedes prediction, bird attacks bird. Inside, under
the earth, my hands are grinding colors that have hardly begun."

"When walking becomes impossible, it is the foot that shatters,
not the path."

"l inscribe the duplication of the imprint through time — imprint
of the twin narrative thwarted . . . in my haste I confuse the flight
of the sparrowhawk with the mechanics of a catapult —"

"Lit up by the fever, a whole crumbled future runs through his
fingers, covers him, sinks him in the sand —"

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version

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There've been a few moments reading this bloke where I've thought of Burroughs, actually. Not necessarily in the sense of them sounding alike, just in terms of certain themes, certain images.

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Benny Bunter

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There've been a few moments reading this bloke where I've thought of Burroughs, actually. Not necessarily in the sense of them sounding alike, just in terms of certain themes, certain images.

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INTERVIEWER: Have you been able to think for any length of time in images, with the inner voice silent?

BURROUGHS : I'm becoming more proficient at it, partly through my work with scrapbooks and translating the connections between words and images. Try this: Carefully memorize the meaning of a passage, then read it; you'll find you can actually read it without the words' making any sound whatever in the mind's ear. Extraordinary experience, and one that will carry over into dreams. When you start thinking in images, without words, you're well on the way.

INTERVIEWER: Why is the wordless state so desirable?

BURROUGHS: I think it's the evolutionary trend. I think that words are an around-the-world, ox-cart way of doing things, awkward instruments, and they will be laid aside eventually, probably sooner than we think.
 

Benny Bunter

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Not really sure cos I've never even heard of him before, but from what you've posted maybe this Dupin guy is expressing a similar desire to that of Burroughs to escape the body, and it's the word that's holding us back.
 

Benny Bunter

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Words/names as inscripted signs on a page that, to Burroughs and Dupin, get in the way of the pure image. A barrier that Burroughs thinks we'll eventually evolve out of.
 

Murphy

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Not meaning to YT up the gaff while YTing up the gaff, Mr Ugly Spirit presenced as the bomb as opposed to definitive statements on Islamic scholarship, ritual continuity or eastern philosophy

Narration on The Process, brotherhoods, Hasan-i Sabbah, lore/law, Genet’s pederasty and BG witters on after but the meat of the idea is fleshed out fully

 

version

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Not meaning to YT up the gaff while YTing up the gaff, Mr Ugly Spirit presenced as the bomb as opposed to definitive statements on Islamic scholarship, ritual continuity or eastern philosophy

Narration on The Process, brotherhoods, Hasan-i Sabbah, lore/law, Genet’s pederasty and BG witters on after but the meat of the idea is fleshed out fully



Good voice.
 

Benny Bunter

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Everything seems to glow in this book, moreso than I remember in the others. He's always talking about things being phosphorescent, but here, in the 'winds of time' section, it feels like watching an undersea sequence of luminous fish. Everything's translucent, lots of blues. 'Glowie' nowadays of course being online slang for a government agent... Everything's so fluid too. Sliding around in time and space.
I'm up to the black fruit section now. Probably the most psychedelic thing I've ever read, constantly flowing and morphing through alien landcapes, tropical jungle, seedy hotels and vacant lots, and combat scenes. I think you can really tell it was the last of the trilogy to be written cos it's like the essence of the other two books merged.

I love the sense of accumulation, as each chapter introduces new material but cuts in phrases from all the chapters (and books) before it.

Where are you up to @version ?

And is anyone else apart from version gonna read it?
 

william_kent

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All I could think of reading 'do you love me?' was that Terry Riley tune, 'You're Nogood', where he mangles a soul thing across tape-loops.



I love that Terry Riley album so much I bought both the seven inch and the LP featuring the original tune



Harvey Averne Dozen - You're No Good


( it's the best tune off the album, but the LP was considerably cheaper than the 7 inch single )
 

william_kent

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I'm up to the black fruit section now. Probably the most psychedelic thing I've ever read, constantly flowing and morphing through alien landcapes, tropical jungle, seedy hotels and vacant lots, and combat scenes. I think you can really tell it was the last of the trilogy to be written cos it's like the essence of the other two books merged.


I thought you had read the introduction where Ollie reckons it was the SECOND of the trilogy to be written, it was just publishing problems that lead to it being published last?
 

Benny Bunter

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I thought you read the introduction where Ollie reckons it was the SECOND of the trilogy to be written, it was just publishing problems that lead to it being published last?

I think it was the second one to be published, but Nova express was pretty much finished before he even started on Ticket.

Plus it was heavily revised with loads of extra material added in 1967, whereas there's only one version of NE that came out in 1964.
 

william_kent

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I think it was the second one to be published, but Nova express was pretty much finished before he even started on Ticket.

Plus it was heavily revised with loads of extra material added in 1967, whereas there's only one version of NE that came out in 1964.

yeah, you're right - I'm extremely drunk and have to admit I only skim read the introduction to the "restored" edition because I instinctively hate that guy because he hasn't referred to my poorly received "Sex Magick in the poetry and prose of Burroughs, Crowley, and Yeats" dissertation ( I had to put Yeats in there at the insistence of my supervisor, but the Golden Dawn connection persuaded me )
 
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