SIXTIES MANIA

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The bit in the '64 "Not Fade Away" where the girls are brought up to meet the band and they can't talk, they just laugh like hyenas
 
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sus said:
The bit in the '64 "Not Fade Away" where the girls are brought up to meet the band and they can't talk, they just laugh like hyenas
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It's an interesting dynamic because like. Who has the power here?

On the one hand, early Jagger is like a wind-up monkey with cymbals, or a dancing bear collecting pennies. He's riding the Beatles wave and he hasn't figured it out yet persona-wise. Even amidst the screams he can feel his precarity. It feels embarrassing watching him trying to figure it out live, he feels very powerless like this apprentice wizard who can't harness his magic, it's much more powerful than him and he can't control it and he keeps flooding the basement.

On the other hand, the crowd is pre-orgasmic, so there's that.
 
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It's like a man who keeps his wife through his exceptional powers of cunnilingus. Who is really in control here?
 
Benny Bunter

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I hate the who apart from my generation, anyway anyhow and maybe one or two others very early in their career that are undeniable
 
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0bleak

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Mick Jagger wished he could move like James Brown.
Thing is, black audiences had already moved away from rock by that time and were inventing new stuff that would no longer be folded under the rock canon as it came to be defined by white guys.
 
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0bleak said:
Mick Jagger wished he could move like James Brown.
Thing is, black audiences had already moved away from rock by that time and were inventing new stuff that would no longer be folded under the rock canon as it came to be defined by white guys.
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Reminder as you toot this horn that e.g. jazz doesn't exist without the European classical tradition, and Irish ballads heavily influenced the development of blues. Influence is always a two-way street, and while yes absolutely early & midcentury black artists/acts didn't get the recognition they deserved, 20th century rock/pop is the product of a really complex series of hybridizations, and not the simple "white popularizers profiting off black innovators" dynamic often presented.
 
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sus said:
Reminder as you toot this horn that e.g. jazz doesn't exist without the European classical tradition, and Irish ballads heavily influenced the development of blues. Influence is always a two-way street, and while yes absolutely early & midcentury black artists/acts didn't get the recognition they deserved, 20th century rock/pop is the product of a really complex series of hybridizations, and not the simple "white popularizers profiting off black innovators" dynamic often presented.
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It's a two-way street, yes, but charts and records were being separated by race, and that's one of the reasons that the inventors were no longer considered to be a part of the thing they invented.
 
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