luka

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the main reason i like this essay is that it is a bravura performance. not just the number of texts referenced but the recall. being able to connect this with that. i think that's quite inspiring, regardless if whether it's right or not. so much gets pulled into the vortex. i've read it a few times over the years and it always makes me smile. it's not as lucid, sane or as persuasive as hugh kenner, but there are similiarities in the erudition and the showmanship.
 
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thats the probllem with prynne too and why he is useful. you have to reach beyond the things youve already thiguht and schematised
Didnt you say once this was what poet should do

Not try to say things he knows how to say but things he doesnt yet
 

line b

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Authority and trust. You need to believe you are chasing something worthwhile. @line b talked about this years ago wrt Prynne, Pynchon, Gaddis. Will there be something worthwhile at the end of the rabbithole if you go down it?

For instance. This is a schizoid text written by a mentally ill man who is very bad at communicating. But my pal luke who has shown me valuable things in the past, and helped clarify my vision, he says this is worthwhile, so I am strapping myself to the mast and suffering through it
Idk if I said that
 

line b

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In my recent expeditions I've realized the only thing that matters is if you're a genius or not, and if you are it does not matter what you do- All experience is equally enriching
 
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In my recent expeditions I've realized the only thing that matters is if you're a genius or not, and if you are it does not matter what you do- All experience is equally enriching
Can you tell us more about this?
 

Benny Bunter

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He's got good ones on Barthes and Foucault and Lyotard and Nietzsche and others too.
Yeah I was looking through his channel earlier, nice one. Gonna listen to a load of these, then maybe read that Russell book again, see if any of it sticks.

He's very clear and a likeable guy. Apparently his youtube channel became a bit of a phemonenon during the COVID lockdowns, a bit like Joe Wicks. 😛
 

luka

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Moreover, since the principal engine of cultural memory is now neither lyrical or musical but electrical, (in the form of the computer), its entirely different modes of storage are characterised by speed of operation rather than affectual intensity.
 

Benny Bunter

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words, and ascribing words and definitions to things as something which forecloses the actual encounter
Reading Romeo and Juliet for the first time since school, and these famous lines made me think of that a bit.

'Tis but thy name that is my enemy.
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? It is not hand nor foot
Nor arm nor face nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other word would smell as sweet.
 

Benny Bunter

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Tho the last sentence about Heidegger I don't get at all
Let's see if we can break it down.

Apophatic theology, also known as negative theology,[1] is a form of theological thinking and religious practice which attempts to approach God, the Divine, by negation, to speak only in terms of what may not be said about the perfect goodness that is God.[web 1] It forms a pair together with cataphatic theology, which approaches God or the Divine by affirmations or positive statements about what God is.[web 2]


In that prof Michael Sugrue lecture I just listened to, he warns that Heidegger is in danger of falling into nihilism.
 
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luka

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And sprang with that double twist into the

Middle world and thence took flight over the

Scythian hordes and to the Hyperborean,

Touch of the north wind

carrying with him Apollo
 

Benny Bunter

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Aristea really stands out in the Prynne oeuvre I think, that and Glacial question/notes on metal. I do wish he had done some more stuff along those lines sometimes.
 

Benny Bunter

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the main reason i like this essay is that it is a bravura performance. not just the number of texts referenced but the recall. being able to connect this with that. i think that's quite inspiring, regardless if whether it's right or not. so much gets pulled into the vortex. i've read it a few times over the years and it always makes me smile. it's not as lucid, sane or as persuasive as hugh kenner, but there are similiarities in the erudition and the showmanship.
Or that grapejuice blog you're into? I haven't read any of it properly myself, it seems so daunting and makes me feel stupid and unread.

But then I like the idea of examining little bits of these mega essays to see if you can learn something new, maybe connect it with something you actually have read, or add another book to your reading list. If you can get over being intimidated and accept that you're always going to be light years behind, it's worthwhile giving them a go.
 
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