What are we like now?

[shiels]

we've been completely freed from all emotion. it's impossible to experience an emotion in todays world.

When you say emotion are you talking about an idea of emotional purity, a simple causal relationship unaffected by media and irony and debilitating self consciousness and all that

 

[shiels]

Even at my most powerless and vulnerable ive always felt split between something expressing and something reading and watching with an element of control

 

[version]

When you say emotion are you talking about an idea of emotional purity, a simple causal relationship unaffected by media and irony and debilitating self consciousness and all that

The media thing's partly what Debord was on about when he invoked The Spectacle. The social relations between people being mediated by images, e.g. couples' interactions with one another being based on the way they've seen relationships presented on TV and in film and some people's lives being based around performing things for Insta.

 

[shiels]

Which is to say emotions always feel somewhat impure and undermined and all that so I’m interested in your distinctions in terms of when they stopped happening

 

[version]

Which is to say emotions always feel somewhat impure and undermined and all that so I’m interested in your distinctions in terms of when they stopped happening

Some overlap with the 'vital illusion' thread here. You can go back more or less as far as you want and there's always someone lamenting the loss of authenticity and having departed some mythical golden age. I don't think it ever existed.

 

[Clinamenic]

Some overlap with the 'vital illusion' thread here. You can go back more or less as far as you want and there's always someone lamenting the loss of authenticity and having departed some mythical golden age. I don't think it ever existed.

Yeah I see what you mean, and re: why people have long been saying this, it also might have to do with the individual's perspective on a changing world, and also just growing up, i.e. one's childhood is usually less riddled by performative media (well that might be changing for younger generations...)

 

[Clinamenic]

Individual loss of innocence, by way of gaining knowledge about one's surrounding reality

 

[Murphy]

Crossover with recent Infosphere posts @vershy versh and @yyaldrin

 

[version]

Yeah I see what you mean, and re: why people have long been saying this, it also might have to do with the individual's perspective on a changing world, and also just growing up, i.e. one's childhood is usually less riddled by performative media (well that might be changing for younger generations...)

Individual loss of innocence, by way of gaining knowledge about one's surrounding reality

Performance is also just fundamental to the way we interact. You get pulled into the structures and roles of a given society and learn the expected moves within them.

 

[version]

One thing that feels very current is a bunch of people online expressing their sexuality by ironically demanding celebrities do horrific things to them. They can't seem to just say someone's hot, it's always excessively masochistic stuff like "omg aubrey plaza run me over with a truck", "anya taylor-joy stab me to death", "paul mescal shoot me in the face and strangle me." Obviously it's mostly tongue-in-cheek and doesn't carry much weight as a result, but it's clearly a thing and a bit mad when you give it some thought.

 

[version]

re: things feeling fake, emotions disappearing, Adorno has a neat formulation where he describes life as becoming the ideology of its own absence.

 

[Murphy]

One thing that feels very current is a bunch of people online expressing their sexuality by ironically demanding celebrities do horrific things to them. They can't seem to just say someone's hot, it's always excessively masochistic stuff like "omg aubrey plaza run me over with a truck", "anya taylor-joy stab me to death", "paul mescal shoot me in the face and strangle me." Obviously it's mostly tongue-in-cheek and doesn't carry much weight as a result, but it's clearly a thing and a bit mad when you give it some thought.

women can be just as unfiltered as men in the Infosphere, taboo sexuality masked as humour, serial killers getting marriage proposals

talking to friends recently the subject of a certain issue of Playboy came up, how people within a certain threshold can only begin to imagine the heat generated when Joan Collins did Playboy, unbelievably tame with hindsight given how diseased porn has become

 

[IdleRich]

One thing that feels very current is a bunch of people online expressing their sexuality by ironically demanding celebrities do horrific things to them. They can't seem to just say someone's hot, it's always excessively masochistic stuff like "omg aubrey plaza run me over with a truck", "anya taylor-joy stab me to death", "paul mescal shoot me in the face and strangle me." Obviously it's mostly tongue-in-cheek and doesn't carry much weight as a result, but it's clearly a thing and a bit mad when you give it some thought.

There was a letter to Viz from way back, it always struck as so weird that it stuck in my mind. It was something like...

So and so (I forgot who) is fit but that Kylie Minogue, I'd crawl over a mile of broken glass just to stick matches in her shit

 

[thirdform]

One thing that feels very current is a bunch of people online expressing their sexuality by ironically demanding celebrities do horrific things to them. They can't seem to just say someone's hot, it's always excessively masochistic stuff like "omg aubrey plaza run me over with a truck", "anya taylor-joy stab me to death", "paul mescal shoot me in the face and strangle me." Obviously it's mostly tongue-in-cheek and doesn't carry much weight as a result, but it's clearly a thing and a bit mad when you give it some thought.

Luke invented that though. He wanted India from MAW/Tito Puente fame to strangle him.

 

[thirdform]

classic

 

[mixed_biscuits]

One thing that feels very current is a bunch of people online expressing their sexuality by ironically demanding celebrities do horrific things to them. They can't seem to just say someone's hot, it's always excessively masochistic stuff like "omg aubrey plaza run me over with a truck", "anya taylor-joy stab me to death", "paul mescal shoot me in the face and strangle me." Obviously it's mostly tongue-in-cheek and doesn't carry much weight as a result, but it's clearly a thing and a bit mad when you give it some thought.

This is because your free speech prohibitions preclude a more authentic expression for fear of being visited by the plod for sexism or harassment or somesuch.

 

[sus]

Some overlap with the 'vital illusion' thread here. You can go back more or less as far as you want and there's always someone lamenting the loss of authenticity and having departed some mythical golden age. I don't think it ever existed.

I was reading Nietzsches Uses and Abuses of History this a.m. and he was talking about how happy cows are how they have no sense of the past no sense of history they live in a perfect unselfconscious present which is to humanity as childhood is to adulthood

Perhaps there's something there but you also wonder how we could possibly know this about a cow, it seems like we just project onto animals the same way we in the West projected onto Polynesian islanders or any noble savage, we construct their identity by inverting ourselves, imposing our desires

There's a huge tradition in Western phil of saying that animals don't know they're going to die. But it seems to me like, in some sense, knowledge of your own mortality is the fundamental fact of biotic life. Your body has got to know it's possible just to stay alive. The entire nervous system is wired up to the possibility of death.

But also people talk about this in terms of human aging and lifespan. They talk about how teenagers brains aren't developed yet so they think they're invincible and can't be harmed.

 

[sus]

These structural analogies of child-animal innocence to adult-human disillusionment are everywhere if you start looking.

 

[sus]

Unconscious to self-conscious. Vico's giants, McKenna's stoned ape. Getting "turned on." Metacognition as developmental stage. @line b recently said he walked around in a fog til mid/late teens and I've heard friends and also Lynch say similar things, I didn't become a thinking person until I was 16 or 18 or 20

 

[0bleak]

so weird how I'm watching a podcast about the origin of consciousness at the same time I'm reading this