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It's fascinating seeing this narrative take hold among some Americans where they're convinced the entire world has been ripping them off, that they're so hard done by and the US has been some sort of punching bag for decades. It's so out of whack with how the US has actually behaved and their own view of also being the biggest and baddest, the greatest country in the world, capable of stomping anyone.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
It's fascinating seeing this narrative take hold among some Americans where they're convinced the entire world has been ripping them off, that they're so hard done by and the US has been some sort of punching bag for decades. It's so out of whack with how the US has actually behaved around the world, and even their own views of the US being the biggest and baddest, capable of stomping anyone.
Ironically - or not - it's also how Russians feel about being the world's victim, unfairly hated, etc.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
But suppose they had a vote and - as all the polls say - they overwhelmingly reject the US, what then? Will Trump just say, oh OK fine?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Apparently Grok thinks Trump is probably a Russian asset

Weighing this, the financial ties (decades-long, opaque, and substantial), intelligence suggesting Russian intent, and Trump’s unwavering refusal to criticize Putin despite attacking allies tilt the scale. The lack of transparency—e.g., hiding tax returns, seizing interpreter notes after Putin talks—amplifies suspicion. No smoking gun proves direct control, but the “useful idiot” scenario, where Trump’s ego and debts make him unwittingly pliable, fits the evidence. Adjusting for uncertainty and alternative explanations (e.g., ideological alignment or naivety), I estimate a 75-85% likelihood Trump is a Putin-compromised asset, leaning toward the higher end due to the consistency of his behavior and the depth of historical ties. This range reflects the strength of circumstantial evidence tempered by the absence of conclusive proof, a gap unlikely to close without classified data.
 

luka

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The americans can offer them citizenship of the most powerful country on the plsnet, high paying jobs in a variety of extractive industries, and on military bases.
 

luka

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Will lead to huge income disparaties and exacerbate already existing social problems but i expect they would accept that deal
 

luka

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When you factor in how the americans can shape 'the narrative' it's probably a foregone conclusion
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
The americans can offer them citizenship of the most powerful country on the plsnet, high paying jobs in a variety of extractive industries, and on military bases.
You can keep telling me why they should want to be American and I'm not arguing- but the point is they don't... so what then?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Ok if you say so, humour me a sec though - a thought experiment if you will - what will Trump do if they do vote No?
 
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