what does trump want?

luka

luka

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If youre putting together an attractive offer you have to include citizenship. Thats the clincher
 
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IdleRich said:
I also think of Bojo saying that he would rather be dead in a ditch than let anybody delay beexit... and then it was delayed and people said "it's not his fault".

It's weird to me that people - Mixed Up Biscuits - can't grasp that if someone says "I promise nothing will stop me from doing x" then it's not an excuse to say "Oh it was out of his hands".
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They're different types of promises, and the listener knows that and usually would excuse them if it's out of their hands.
 
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luka said:
i guess these are the kind of takes the thread is inviting. we all want to understand what's going on and find some threads of consistency, motives, ideology etc the neoreactionary stuff does seem to be a through-line of sorts. and even in trumps first term there was the shadow of some larger but concealed ideological project at work, one that transcended international borders and the usual inter-state rivalries and emnities.

it could just be mad chaos a demented aged egomaniac doing whatever but its natural to try and find patterns
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The paranoiacs on here are only confused because they were expecting full-on Nazism. Version's "solution" to this confusion is to project it and pretend that Trump is acting at random, whereas IdleRich embraces confirmation bias, seeing every "authoritarian" act of Trump's as intentional and non-authoritarian acts as unintended.

Sus would recognise these cognitive failure modes from Less Wrong but he's gone into some sort of stupor - his own solution.
 
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Sure, the Democrat campaign was all about planting a massive conspiracy theory in people's heads that they would end up in concentration camps. So I can understand it having an effect on the more feeble-minded but Trump is doing what he'd always said he'd do while also being ostensibly much more transparent than the Dems e.g. conducting high-level meetings on live TV, actually answering questions from the press, and tweeting non-stop....if he were carrying out some secret plan wouldn't he be using a lot more secrecy?
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

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This appears to be the only thing the Dems have on Trump at the moment. And it's not exactly set in stone as the situation will restabilise after a while.
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It's the economy stupid.

They're different types of promises, and the listener knows that and usually would excuse them if it's out of their hands.
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Not if someone promises it won't be out of their hands. It's not that deep, why can't you grasp this?
 
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IdleRich said:
It's the economy stupid.

Not if someone promises it won't be out of their hands. It's not that deep, why can't you grasp this?
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CBS/YouGov poll after the Presidential address gives roughly 70% approval for Trump. That means at least 40% of Democrats aren't that bother about this "promise".

Do you realise that tariffs are generally a left-wing thing?!
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
This is very true

Strategically, the right became focused on using the instruments of minority rule in the existing constitutional order to project power, regardless of whether it represented a popular majority. Over time, institutional advantages in state-based representation meant that it could capture the Supreme Court, the Senate and even the presidency twice, despite losing the popular vote. More profoundly, it built a culture within Republican Party officialdom and its voting base that saw multi-racial democracy as an almost existential threat.
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In the previous Trump regime you had a president with a minority of the vote decreasing Repub votes for the senate but increasing their number of senators and using them to help him force through his picks for the Supreme Court. Seemed mad that all these minorities could be used to reinforce each other and capture control of the main court for the foreseeable future. I think it's mad that the Dems didn't fight back though when they had control, either by impeaching some of the obviously unfit justices or increasing the number or... I dunno, something.
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

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Oh yeah it goes on to say that in fact

the Senate, due to the overrepresentation of rural areas and small population centres was already massively tipped in favour of the Republican minority.
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it also allowed Trump to gain office in 2016 without winning the popular vote and then to reconstruct the Supreme Court along lines that were wildly out of step with public opinion.
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version

version

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The point about America being shaped by the conflict with the Soviet Union and, now they're gone, collapsing into the same kleptocratic fate reminds me of the Yuk Hui line on America and China last month.

... neither culture nor understanding are at stake in this larger power struggle, and those who have not woken up to this will only repeat the “clash of civilizations” cliché by insisting on respect for cultural differences. The East and the West are in fact developing the same plan, the same technology, and the same philosophy of history for domination, and are thus no longer distinguishable in this world process.​
 
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