How to be a true progressive

kid charlemagne

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You want Woke 2? Here's Woke 2.

1. The goal of Woke 2 is to establish social equality, achieve material and spiritual progress, and construct a vibrant civic life for the people.
2. Defund the fire department
3. Abolish needle exchanges, and encourage smoking fentanyl instead (it’s much safer)
4. Art museum board members should prostrate themselves and apologize for their collections weekly; the rest of us are allowed to not think about it.
5. Implement Police 2. every year the citizens vote on how to divide the policing budget between Police 1 and 2 depending on who's been doing their job and not violating people's rights.
6. We need a Serrano-style dissolution of binaries more than a Woke 1-style intensification of them.
7. Access to methadone should be massively expanded.
8. Access to ozempic should be massively expanded.
9. Access to tylenol should be massively curtailed.
10. People should be able to do what they want to their bodies, including injecting hormones that change their gender. Even if they don’t feel like they’ve always been, epiphenomenally, of a different gender. Even like, just because.
11. Comic book people and adults who read young adult literature have shown over the last decade that they are not capable of being responsible members of a coalition. They have baby-brain; they are not welcome in Woke 2.
12. The greatest public health intervention possible is static car tire dust collectors.
13. If the left is said to have any core beliefs, a good candidate is that property is something which should be democratically contestable. The act of contesting some of the more spurious modes of property is a way towards both material and spiritual progress. It is a fact rarely acknowledged but factually true that a world where fossil fuels remain in the ground is in fact *richer*, because the negative externalities are greater than the value provided to those who burn it. The left should be willing to say: “If you want a world that is wealthy, you will destroy the fossil fuel infrastructure.”
14. In this reading, the left is a kind of vigilante short-fund destroying the net-welfare-negative business models around coal plants, Turbotax, land title insurers, and so forth, and redistributing the surplus to the people of the world.
15. Woke 2 acknowledges that Uber did the world a favor by destroying the exploitative taxi medallion monopoly, in which absentee medallionlords extracted rent from immigrant taxi drivers forced to do 17 hour shifts, often taking on themselves the risk of a bad day with the possibility of ending up net-negative at the end of the shift. While Uber is also exploitative, their cut is smaller, the market is bigger, and at least some share of the proceeds go towards improving the efficiency of the system.
16. Free public transit, but only for the rich
17. We need direct auto sales, specifically to destroy the "dealership owner class," the furthest right social block in the country
18. Mandatory labelling for nepo babies. This includes disclosure requirements for legacy admissions
19. Elementary schools should have classes on comparative phonology, so people can pronounce names and loanwords from other cultures
20. Abolish single family zoning, but also abolish commercial zoning. Home businesses and living in an office are both radical praxis.
21. We need new universities. One of them should have a mandate to accept all valedictorians, from everywhere.
22. Legalize korean sunscreen
23. There was a deviant Woke 1 tendency to be suspicious of interracial marriage. We should flip this and be suspicious of people married to people of the same race.
24. National payment processing network run by USPS
25. Voting age to 16 but only for local elections
26. A CDL should be required to drive a large pickup truck or SUV
27. Individuals liable for environmental crimes can be sentenced to exposure to the materials they polluted with
28. Having at any point in the past made a land acknowledgement is retroactively considered to have deeded the land to local native groups
29. We need public access to surveillance cameras
30. There must be a defense of abortion rights that is ready for artificial wombs—IE, it must not rest on “viability of the fetus.”
31. Woke 2 acknowledges that some of the worst parts of Woke 1 were the ways that it was weaponized—sometimes in the defense of worthwhile ends, sometimes not. However, if you don’t live in a vegan food coop or work for a nonprofit, Woke 1 is over. It is no longer possible to be cancelled without having committed at least two felonies. If you still feel victimized by Woke 1 we recommend, unfortunately, that you go to therapy about it.
32. In other words—Woke 1 is our generation’s Vietnam, in that some of the population was traumatized by it and will spend the rest of their lives acting like they’re still there.
33. Public access tv funding quadrupled, dedicated mostly to "day in the life" tiktoks of midlevel bureaucrats
34. Tax benefits of marriage should decrease with age gap
35. “Unconscious bias” is out, promoting intergroup contact is in
36. We’re performatively undoing the wine/whine merger. We’re now referring to “hwhite people”
37. Collecting statistics in order to do diversity and inclusion in a statistically defensible way should generally fall under safe harbor provisions and not increase liability
38. High quality, rapid-turnover air filtration in schools and cafeterias will improve educational outcomes and prevent conflict over the smell of food
39. Don’t get it twisted: the goal of Woke 2 is to establish social equality, achieve material and spiritual progress, and construct a vibrant civic life for the people.
im voting gh0st 2028
 

mixed_biscuits

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you forgot

40) ban all pork production
41) make psytrance illegal
42) make jump up dnb illegal
43) make the propagation of theistic propaganda a criminal offence (religious propaganda for reasons of cultural superiority is fine...)
44) abolish all theological faculties.
Bad news for the Jump-Psy community
 

mixed_biscuits

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Behold this festering heap of codswallop, masquerading as profound thought! This utterly incoherent twaddle is a masterclass in spouting drivel whilst pretending to possess a shred of insight. Let’s dissect it with the surgical disdain it so richly deserves.
It begins with the tiresome bleat that “they” (some nebulous, undefined lot) shun rational argument because they’d be trounced. What a staggering insight, Professor Obvious! As if any soul willingly trots into a debate thinking, “I fancy a thorough drubbing today.” Then it plunges into a vortex of circular claptrap: they lose because they buy into the opposition’s unspoken assumptions. Truly groundbreaking! It’s akin to declaring a cricketer loses because he agrees to play on a pitch. Well, naturally!
But hold your tea—it gets more ludicrous. The “progress required” is some navel-gazing cod-philosophy where “they” must muse over “in what kind of world/universe the phenomena make sense.” This is the sort of pompous tripe you’d overhear from a tweed-clad bore at an Oxbridge wine and cheese, desperate to sound clever. It’s not a strategy; it’s a horoscope scribbled on a napkin. And “undercutting the opposition”? What, pray tell, is that? A cunning rhetorical flick of the wrist? This isn’t a Jane Austen novel; it’s an argument, not a Regency intrigue.
The crowning turd in this cesspit: don’t expect your “other beliefs/goals” to emerge unscathed from this grand epiphany. Oh, how frightfully portentous! So, you’re to dismantle your entire worldview to win a spat, only to find your life’s foundations crumbling like a soggy biscuit. Cheers for the warning, O Sage of Semantic Sludge.
This bilge isn’t merely incoherent; it’s a spineless dodge into ambiguity, a gutless refusal to articulate anything resembling a point. It’s the intellectual equivalent of flinging confetti and calling it a manifesto. The author ought to be condemned to an eternity of parsing their own sentences until they weep for clarity. . This tosh deserves no quarter.
You understood it all so how can it be unclear? And you agree with pretty much all of it so how can it be tosh? You have to answer my central point: why do they play on a losing pitch?
 

mixed_biscuits

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You want Woke 2? Here's Woke 2.

1. The goal of Woke 2 is to establish social equality, achieve material and spiritual progress, and construct a vibrant civic life for the people.
2. Defund the fire department
3. Abolish needle exchanges, and encourage smoking fentanyl instead (it’s much safer)
4. Art museum board members should prostrate themselves and apologize for their collections weekly; the rest of us are allowed to not think about it.
5. Implement Police 2. every year the citizens vote on how to divide the policing budget between Police 1 and 2 depending on who's been doing their job and not violating people's rights.
6. We need a Serrano-style dissolution of binaries more than a Woke 1-style intensification of them.
7. Access to methadone should be massively expanded.
8. Access to ozempic should be massively expanded.
9. Access to tylenol should be massively curtailed.
10. People should be able to do what they want to their bodies, including injecting hormones that change their gender. Even if they don’t feel like they’ve always been, epiphenomenally, of a different gender. Even like, just because.
11. Comic book people and adults who read young adult literature have shown over the last decade that they are not capable of being responsible members of a coalition. They have baby-brain; they are not welcome in Woke 2.
12. The greatest public health intervention possible is static car tire dust collectors.
13. If the left is said to have any core beliefs, a good candidate is that property is something which should be democratically contestable. The act of contesting some of the more spurious modes of property is a way towards both material and spiritual progress. It is a fact rarely acknowledged but factually true that a world where fossil fuels remain in the ground is in fact *richer*, because the negative externalities are greater than the value provided to those who burn it. The left should be willing to say: “If you want a world that is wealthy, you will destroy the fossil fuel infrastructure.”
14. In this reading, the left is a kind of vigilante short-fund destroying the net-welfare-negative business models around coal plants, Turbotax, land title insurers, and so forth, and redistributing the surplus to the people of the world.
15. Woke 2 acknowledges that Uber did the world a favor by destroying the exploitative taxi medallion monopoly, in which absentee medallionlords extracted rent from immigrant taxi drivers forced to do 17 hour shifts, often taking on themselves the risk of a bad day with the possibility of ending up net-negative at the end of the shift. While Uber is also exploitative, their cut is smaller, the market is bigger, and at least some share of the proceeds go towards improving the efficiency of the system.
16. Free public transit, but only for the rich
17. We need direct auto sales, specifically to destroy the "dealership owner class," the furthest right social block in the country
18. Mandatory labelling for nepo babies. This includes disclosure requirements for legacy admissions
19. Elementary schools should have classes on comparative phonology, so people can pronounce names and loanwords from other cultures
20. Abolish single family zoning, but also abolish commercial zoning. Home businesses and living in an office are both radical praxis.
21. We need new universities. One of them should have a mandate to accept all valedictorians, from everywhere.
22. Legalize korean sunscreen
23. There was a deviant Woke 1 tendency to be suspicious of interracial marriage. We should flip this and be suspicious of people married to people of the same race.
24. National payment processing network run by USPS
25. Voting age to 16 but only for local elections
26. A CDL should be required to drive a large pickup truck or SUV
27. Individuals liable for environmental crimes can be sentenced to exposure to the materials they polluted with
28. Having at any point in the past made a land acknowledgement is retroactively considered to have deeded the land to local native groups
29. We need public access to surveillance cameras
30. There must be a defense of abortion rights that is ready for artificial wombs—IE, it must not rest on “viability of the fetus.”
31. Woke 2 acknowledges that some of the worst parts of Woke 1 were the ways that it was weaponized—sometimes in the defense of worthwhile ends, sometimes not. However, if you don’t live in a vegan food coop or work for a nonprofit, Woke 1 is over. It is no longer possible to be cancelled without having committed at least two felonies. If you still feel victimized by Woke 1 we recommend, unfortunately, that you go to therapy about it.
32. In other words—Woke 1 is our generation’s Vietnam, in that some of the population was traumatized by it and will spend the rest of their lives acting like they’re still there.
33. Public access tv funding quadrupled, dedicated mostly to "day in the life" tiktoks of midlevel bureaucrats
34. Tax benefits of marriage should decrease with age gap
35. “Unconscious bias” is out, promoting intergroup contact is in
36. We’re performatively undoing the wine/whine merger. We’re now referring to “hwhite people”
37. Collecting statistics in order to do diversity and inclusion in a statistically defensible way should generally fall under safe harbor provisions and not increase liability
38. High quality, rapid-turnover air filtration in schools and cafeterias will improve educational outcomes and prevent conflict over the smell of food
39. Don’t get it twisted: the goal of Woke 2 is to establish social equality, achieve material and spiritual progress, and construct a vibrant civic life for the people.
Lots of interesting and righteous ideas. Do you mean equality of opportunity or equity? I take Woke 1 to be a radical equity movement so if it's the latter Woke 2 won't be much different.

Woke 2 abortion rights point is a fetishisation and, anyway, viability is irrelevant the wrongness of abortion.
 

hmg

Victory lap
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mixed_biscuits

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I think the local voting at 16 idea is ingenious, and would lower it to 14. I am surprised that woke equity hounds haven't targeted partner choice yet as that is the principal way by which people might improve or consolidate their lot...the dating site filters abet this consolidation but much more in terms of class rather than race.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
You understood it all so how can it be unclear? And you agree with pretty much all of it so how can it be tosh? You have to answer my central point: why do they play on a losing pitch?

because anti-communism in the long duration is impossible. It is the species-destiny. You are on the reserve bench for the losing team, as it goes. Now be nice to your team mates tea and version. every liberal must dead.

United not doing too good this season, are they?
 

ghost

Well-known member
Lots of interesting and righteous ideas. Do you mean equality of opportunity or equity? I take Woke 1 to be a radical equity movement so if it's the latter Woke 2 won't be much different.
I'm talking about social equality. I think mostly when people talk about the 'opportunity or equity' framework, they're usually thinking in narrow economic terms. And Woke 2 is of course primarily material, so maybe this appears to be a contradiction. But of course, true equality of opportunity has never been tried, nothing close to it, I don't know why the weirdo rightists treat this as some kind of gotcha; seeking to produce through grand social reorientation True Equality of Opportunity is a much more ambitious project of social engineering which we must boldly embark on.
 

mixed_biscuits

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I'm talking about social equality. I think mostly when people talk about the 'opportunity or equity' framework, they're usually thinking in narrow economic terms. And Woke 2 is of course primarily material, so maybe this appears to be a contradiction. But of course, true equality of opportunity has never been tried, nothing close to it, I don't know why the weirdo rightists treat this as some kind of gotcha; seeking to produce through grand social reorientation True Equality of Opportunity is a much more ambitious project of social engineering which we must boldly embark on.
What are your criteria for true equality of opportunity? Given that it's never been achieved it sounds like a very sensible and practical plan.
 

mixed_biscuits

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You can't even get everybody to the starting line with your abortion policy. Most opportunities rely on being alive to take them.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
You just had to make it personal, didn't you.

you mentioned the pitch! And since neither turks nor romanians do not know anything about the intricacies of cricket, I was too lazy to get musk to argue with you, this time around. It can be fun though, when I'm lazy. get musk to contradict his own supporters. I love grok.
 

mixed_biscuits

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To the Communists an instructive exercise is to try to implement your social engineering on a small scale e.g a handful of people. You'll begin to realise how difficult this is when even the far left members of your group are unable to follow the ideal, let alone recognise it.
 

mixed_biscuits

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Of course, the seed if despair is in the term "social engineering"...one wouldn't talk about socially engineering your girlfriend to go on to have a happy marriage to you or socially engineering a supportive group of friends, because either makes you sound like a psycho hint hint
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Of course, the seed if despair is in the term "social engineering"...one wouldn't talk about socially engineering your girlfriend to go on to have a happy marriage to you or socially engineering a supportive group of friends, because either makes you sound like a psycho hint hint

wait haven't you been attempting to socially engineer this forum to fall in line with you? Very unsuccessfully, I might add.
 
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