Someone once told me they felt 2C-B was a 'mathematical' drug because when they took it they saw luminous green grids everywhere. I never tried it properly, so I've always wondered whether that sort of visual was common or whether that person's particular trip was influenced by their knowing the drug was synthetic and it having a name like '2C-B' rather than acid or magic mushrooms.

They could have been bullshitting or misremembering too.
I’m skeptical of whether different psychedelic's have different natures in this way or at least if they do it’s more of a matter of dose and the speed of metabolising. Ive seen very digital stuff, grid like stuff on Ayahuasca and DMT, strobing cubic tron like geometrical perfection
 

okzharp

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what surprised me in that poem was that i had heard the story of giotto drawing a circle freehand. i had to look it up but that was in the twelfth century. the poem seemed to refer to a nineteenth century episode.

???

ah yes... Giotto's circle... but in Spain, it's told about Goya...

you heard that joke, the farmer's fence?

A farmer challenges an engineer, a physicist, and a mathematician to fence off the largest amount of area using the least amount of fence. The engineer makes his fence in a circle and says it’s the most efficient. The physicist makes a long line and says that the length is infinite. Then he says that fencing half of the Earth is the best. The mathematician laughs at the others, makes a small circular fence around himself and declares himself to be on the outside of the circle.
 
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ah yes... Giotto's circle... but in Spain, it's told about Goya...

you heard that joke, the farmer's fence?

A farmer challenges an engineer, a physicist, and a mathematician to fence off the largest amount of area using the least amount of fence. The engineer makes his fence in a circle and says it’s the most efficient. The physicist makes a long line and says that the length is infinite. Then he says that fencing half of the Earth is the best. The mathematician laughs at the others, makes a small circular fence around himself and declares himself to be on the outside of the circle.
surely you're joking Mr okzharp
 

version

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I think a lot about what Sarah Perry calls tiling, and how tiling describes a globalizing/modernizing world. A monocrop, a design pattern that just replicates over and over and over. All the roads all the road signs are the same the same Starbucks the same credit card machine readers.

"The Industrial Revolution is primarily a virus revolution, dedicated to controlled proliferation of identical objects and persons."
BURROUGHS, THE PLACE OF DEAD ROADS
 

version

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the idea of resolution seems important. you can reach such a precise level of subdivision in the grid that it effectively melts away and freedom returns.

Any point in space is an argument place and I will not be confined to one point, I will argue out the word-lock so that I can move.
I want to travel everywhere in Space.

You can see this in the development/evolution of certain video games.

 

sus

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I always wondered b/c this stuff came up a lot in the digital vs analog (discrete vs continuous) discourse, among audiophiles & producers, when I came up in NYC music scenes

It seems like maybe if you have a high enough resolution, a sample rate, then functionally what's the problem, but people do feel they can tell the difference between analog and digital tech, I dunno, this stuff is complicated and not merely a matter of resolution.

But there does seem to be a non-pragmatic, almost philosophical fetish for the idea of the analog, in that it is specifically not the pixelated/binarized digital format.
 
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