line b

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It's interesting that in Pound's Cantos 'amor' is the word given to the liberating creative forces in the battle against retentive evil forces and right there on page one of the wake is the word 'Amorica' and from what I can tell thus far the wake seems to be a spell Joyce is trying to cast to unleash primal poetic creative forces aswell.
 

line b

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There's a theory from an apocryphal source, but one Joyce seems to certainly have known about and referenced, that claims during one specific pagan Irish May Day esque ritual (I forget what it's called) - one that could have been the only possible date to have itself, Easter, May Day, and st Patrick lighting the fire (all theorized dates in the Wakes climatic scene) fall on the same date - ancient pagans would use a made up language to usher in spring that supposedly mirrored the techniques Joyce himself is using in the Wakes made up language
 

sus

Moderator
@tobyshooters do you think it's fair to say that grida are are a sort of extremely barebones simple mapping algorithms

I think a lot about what Sarah Perry calls tiling, and how tiling describes a globalizing/modernizing world. A monocrop, a design pattern that just replicates over and over and over. All the roads all the road signs are the same the same Starbucks the same credit card machine readers.
 

sus

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> I use the personal jargon “tiling structure” or “tiling system” to describe a system that causes itself to be replicated, tiling the world with copies of itself. Some tiling structures are biological; humans are a tiling structure, tiling all continents with copies of the same kind of naked primate. Some are technological; agriculture tiled the world with itself not by making humans healthier, taller, or less prone to famine, but by producing sheer numbers and densities of miserable people for thousands of years so effectively (despite all the famines) that other options for subsistence were tiled out of existence.
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> Tiling structures are one explanation for why urban design looks so uniform (and so soul-crushingly ugly) throughout the United States. Certain forms are ubiquitous because they solve certain delineated problems effectively enough to become effectively mandatory: power lines, big box retail, strip malls, freeways, parking lots, and billboards are such powerful patterns that few locales can refuse them, despite their ugliness and the constraints they impose..
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> Some tiling structures are “top down,” like government education: imposed on sub-entities against their will. Others are “bottom up” – a design problem is solved in such a way that all later actors adopt it, and it gradually becomes just as mandatory and constraining as a top-down imposed pattern. The blogger Viznut examines this latter dynamic with respect to software development; instead of attempting to solve problems by refactoring from scratch and “cutting reality at the joints,” pre-existing chunks are adopted and glued together to form a monstrosity that just barely works and is riddled with misfit:
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>>>Tell a bunch of average software developers to design a sailship. They will do a web search for available modules. They will pick a wind power module and an electric engine module, which will be attached to some kind of a floating module. When someone mentions aero- or hydrodynamics, the group will respond by saying that elementary physics is a far too specialized area, and it is cheaper and more straight-forward to just combine pre-existing modules and pray that the combination will work sufficiently well.
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>>>Viznut, The Resource Leak Bug of Our Civilization
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> Whether or not this is a fair description of software developers, I think it is an accurate description of how people build their lives. We select from the available chunks and try to fit them together into a coherent whole – an education here, a job there, a box to live in, entertainment to pass the time. These available “life parts” tend to be black boxes in whose design we have little say. They may not fit together into a satisfying whole at all – the boat they make may not float. Perfectly adequate material solutions fail to provide essential “nutrients” – sometimes literally (as with obesity), sometimes figuratively (sunshine, eye contact, exercise). It is tempting to accuse a person who cannot make a coherent life out of the available parts of having too little imagination; however, I do not think this kind of problem is one that individual imagination is powerful enough to solve. Even the most imaginative among us will tend to build a “monstrosity” instead of a life
 

sus

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I don't agree with all that I think it's more complicated, I'm maybe not so ready to write off agriculture, but I think she sets the table well
 

sus

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There's a theory from an apocryphal source, but one Joyce seems to certainly have known about and referenced, that claims during one specific pagan Irish May Day esque ritual (I forget what it's called) - one that could have been the only possible date to have itself, Easter, May Day, and st Patrick lighting the fire (all theorized dates in the Wakes climatic scene) fall on the same date - ancient pagans would use a made up language to usher in spring that supposedly mirrored the techniques Joyce himself is using in the Wakes made up language

Lots of personal serendipities lately around

Catholic poetpriests going on about Spring renewal

Wasteland makes more sense to me now I see what it's inverting
 

Murphy

cat malogen
Never ever try tiling, don’t even consider retraining as a pro tiler during a midlife crisis. Get into tiles if you absolutely have to and engage in ceramic decoratively material lust, just don’t tile

Spirit levels measuring everything multiple times, sanding a floor or wall down evenly first (they’re never ever even fwiw), fiddly as fuck matches to separate, demarcate and lock the mastic spread to the floor/wall = hours and hours of pain. The last time I finished an old kitchen floor, our youngest got in there somehow and slid-shuffled the tiles and still malleable mastic everywhere. When discovered the following morning i nearly wept
 

sus

Moderator
The make of the tiles themselves seems pretty straightforward. Design a ceramic mould & rinse/repeat. But it hadn't occurred to me that there was a second, harder step, namely, getting them on a wall/floor/ceiling.
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
Grids in the pixelated screen
the idea of resolution seems important. you can reach such a precise level of subdivision in the grid that it effectively melts away and freedom returns. this applies not just to visuals but also, as woops was saying, music. in renoise, for example, you can delay a single note by like 250 different values, which effectively brings quantized timing back to loose, organic timing.

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on the other hand, if the resolution is super low, maybe the grid's controlling, organizing power also breaks down. something new and strange emerges, e.g. bitcrushing effects popularized in internet music, or a sunset becoming this:

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version

Well-known member
the idea of resolution seems important. you can reach such a precise level of subdivision in the grid that it effectively melts away and freedom returns. this applies not just to visuals but also, as woops was saying, music. in renoise, for example, you can delay a single note by like 250 different values, which effectively brings quantized timing back to loose, organic timing.

Deleuze's essay on control societies feels like it sets up Foucault's disciplinary society as a grid and a control society as something beyond the grid, something looser yet more inescapable.

 

william_kent

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I'm surprised there has been no mention of Brion Gysin ( and by extension, William S. Burroughs who borrowed Gysin's ideas )

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”I may write only what I know in space: I am that I am.
Thee, Word, begat Me and this is all I know about myself at any point in space.
But the potent phrase is a word-lock of static intention; meant to keep me in my place.
Any point in space is an argument place and I will not be confined to one point, I will argue out the word-lock so that I can move.
I want to travel everywhere in Space.”




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luka

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It's interesting that in Pound's Cantos 'amor' is the word given to the liberating creative forces in the battle against retentive evil forces and right there on page one of the wake is the word 'Amorica' and from what I can tell thus far the wake seems to be a spell Joyce is trying to cast to unleash primal poetic creative forces aswell.
Think its RAW that points out
AMOR
ROMA
Liberation and the grid
 
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@tobyshooters do you think it's fair to say that grida are are a sort of extremely barebones simple mapping algorithms

I think a lot about what Sarah Perry calls tiling, and how tiling describes a globalizing/modernizing world. A monocrop, a design pattern that just replicates over and over and over. All the roads all the road signs are the same the same Starbucks the same credit card machine readers.

I think this falls a bit into the Christopher Alexander "A City is Not a Tree" spiel.
Tiling presupposes that the sibling tiles are somehow independent, perhaps only connected on a higher-plane of management. If you recurse this process, you get a tree-like idea of order.
But it's not a tree. CA uses the idea of a lattice, but it's easier to just realize that neighbors do in fact alter each other, and so they relate on the same plane, short-circuiting the higher-plane. This creates much more diversity and complexity.
Hence, how very cool the Canvas of Kings thing with overlapping grids is.

Now, there is without a doubt an impetus of standardization with the grid.
Classic Hundertwasser: THE LINE IS GODLESS.
But... that's the age-old debate of DIY with care and craft versus depend on others' infrastructure which is standardized.
And the answer is always BOTH.
 

line b

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woah, check out mr. irreverent here! one minute he’s a literary critic, the next he’s doing comedy bits from 2005! what an unpredictable character! watch out, he might even make a joke about dead babies!
i woke up feeling hungover this morning and I didn't know why cause I didn't think I drank that much but now I see I must have cause I was saying you have aids across multiple websites last nights
 
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