shaka can you please do a thread on this with examples and explain the differences in sex and gender politics and production styles and so on. that wo

[thirdform]

This is what @blissblogger got so right with rave

Are you sure about that? because I can site @blissblogger contradicting you. Mere social function is insufficient. Scenes must generate myth to be important. In this sense Autechre is great because they generate myth, regardless of whether you like them or not. You are so indolent and lazy. come back to this shitting island and get disciplined.

How the Beatles Destroyed Rock 'n' Roll: An Alternative History of American Popular Music
By Elijah Wald (Oxford University Press), info here

Revisionism a la Carl Wilson's Celine Dion book, generalism with its gaze prised off of the present and focused backwards in time, this surveys 20th Century American popular music with a view to correcting the neglect and salving the slight inflicted by Rockism to various forms of "light" music that (it's darned well proved!) were what the majority of punters actually listened to, danced to, enjoyed, as opposed to, oh rock'n'roll and bebop and Motown and what have you. So it's basically everything that would be left out of Greil Marcus's list at the end of Stranded, or banished from Dave Marsh's The Heart of Rock and Soul greatest singles ever book. There's certainly value and interest to coming up with a different shape for the past, the disorientation of an up-ended perspective. But then you also have to wonder what it is about the Rock(ist) Narrative that is so compelling that it made people A/ bring it into existence in the first place and B/ keep on sustaining it with a torrent of critical writing, books, fan discourse, etc. It's not just generational narcissism, I don't think, or a case of "history gets written by the victors" (are they really victors here, and if so what are their spoils?). What I'm getting is, nothing was stopping people writing histories about the other stuff, Doris Day or Pat Boone or Engelbert Humperdinck or whatever… Same as nothing ever stopped anyone from writing a history of electronic dance music in the Nineties that made trance or handbag house the central narrative. That those people haven't come forth tells you something about the motivating power of certain kinds of music, their ability to generate Myth.

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[thirdform]

you are a terribly unaesthetic person who is immune to myth. even luke likes some atomhead and mindfucker acid and that.

 

[thirdform]

This is what @blissblogger got so right with rave

 

[luka]

Not impressed with shakir's performance so far

 

[shakahislop]

Not impressed with shakir's performance so far

I can’t relate to desperation. my ‘give a fucks’ are on vacation

 

[thirdform]

I can’t relate to desperation. my ‘give a fucks’ are on vacation

I heard they played Alice dj at nowadays. I was so appalled.

 

[thirdform]

you are a terribly unaesthetic person who is immune to myth. even luke likes some atomhead and mindfucker acid and that.

why don't you become psychotic?

 

[shakahislop]

 

[kid charlemagne]

i was about to post this here lol

 

[luka]

Bit much that

 

[shakahislop]

the differences in sex and gender politics

 

[shakahislop]

Sabrina carpenter’s three biggest tunes are respectively fantasies of sexual power, psychosexual revenge and misandry

 

[shakahislop]

a lot of her lyrical and vocal style is about seeing what she can get away with saying. what has recently become possible to say in the gender discourse configuration of 2024-2025. where exactly the window has opened. she can put her finger on it. where exactly the short-form videos have got us to

 

[shakahislop]

it’s opportunistic. there’s a particular moment now where in the (‘white’) mainstream the parameters of acceptability have inverted. the girls can be crueler now without attracting major shock or opprobrium. so they can use tunes to elicit minor shocks of the cruel. the lads on the mainstream on the other hand are watching every word for sanction. whereas they used to be able to use misogyny in particular easy peasy. dizzee could put jezabel on an album. that one relies on a similar cruelty. not quite the mainstream but not far outside, certainly within the parameters of acceptable taste

 

[shakahislop]

sex as power isn’t new. but a girl doing sex as power for fun smack bang in the square middle of the megastar mainstream without disapproval is new i think

 

[thirdform]

it’s opportunistic. there’s a particular moment now where in the (‘white’) mainstream the parameters of acceptability have inverted. the girls can be crueler now without attracting major shock or opprobrium. so they can use tunes to elicit minor shocks of the cruel. the lads on the mainstream on the other hand are watching every word for sanction. whereas they used to be able to use misogyny in particular easy peasy. dizzee could put jezabel on an album. that one relies on a similar cruelty. not quite the mainstream but not far outside, certainly within the parameters of acceptable taste

being white sounds fucking boring, I must be real.

astrology, self-policing, weird christian revivals, it just seems like a masochistic misery parade. no fun in it really. Not saying white people should pretend to be from the hood but that at least carried some honesty. Looking for a way to racially segregate (woke).

something deeply disturbed about it tbh.

 

[thirdform]

biscuits jokes about being trans-turk but that would actually put him out of his misery. a case of not seeing the wood for the trees. woke is superfluous for most of us, so there is nothing to be tormented by.