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stelfox said:I'd like to see mor up and coming artists selling out to advertising at every opportunity.
Freudian slip, Dave?!
stelfox said:I'd like to see mor up and coming artists selling out to advertising at every opportunity.
blissblogger said:really? i thought Lady Sov got nuff love here, apart from a few heavy-duty grime purists. I for one think she's great.This thread
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=815&highlight=Lady+Sovereign
is probably 50/50 for and against the S oh V, but the bloody-spitting debate almost reaches MIA proportions. It just seems a little strange how artisits like the Mitchell Brothers, Plan B and even Klashnerkoff can quietly waltz into the grime scene without getting the same crap levelled at them.
bun-u said:I can quietly waltz into the grime scene without getting the same crap levelled at them.
michael said:I certainly don't get the degree of emotion about it all...
Melchior said:people see popular music, from rock and roll to jungle to MIA as being the inheritor of folk music, exactly the people who never had patrons and made music anyway.
The comparison to Damien Hurst is deeply flawed anyway.
satanmcnugget said:Ludacris doesnt go around throwing down the rhetoric of revolution and liberation the way MIA does
nonseq said:So it would be better if she would be as apolitical as most other musicians?
Surely that would be worse!
Also, why are most people so sure about her referencing Tamils etc "to get cred / attention"?
How do you know it's not a genuine feeling of hers?
The Honda commercial is by no means a proof that she doesn't care about Tamils or whatever.
Moreover does it matter?
Shouldn't she be judged on the basis of her actions, rather than guesswork about her thinking?
Isn't the better criterion for an evaluation of her media performance the ideological effects?
Like:
she doesn't promote hardline anticapitalism but she does try to raise awareness about exploitation of poor people?
Basically it's the old question whether it's better to be a capitalist pig who doesn't care for poor people but at least isn't a hypocrite or to be part of the capitalist system like almost everybody, criticise it and be accused of hypocrisy, selling out etc.
stelfox said:what rupture does in his dj sets is about as (in)authentic as mia and i love it to bits, because it doesn't make loud grandstanding claims for itself - it just does what it does and lets the music talk. there's a whole lot of love and respect in what jace does and an infectious enthusiasm that connects all kinds of geographical and stylistic dots. MIA's music and MIA as a personality is too calculated and too busy telling you that it's doing something special to really be believable and, as a result, is a lot less graceful.
which is why I am very surprised that many still subscribe to this kind of "either / or" type dualism.
too much emphasis is put on activists, in global anti-authoritarian movements, to keep with a strict code of conduct, which puts unnecessary and unrealistic pressures on the individual, while these details don't even matter in the bigger scheme of things.
ripley said:A good rule of thumb is, if you have to explain to a crowd of people you mostly don't know why something you said isn't racist you've already lowered the discourse and created a nasty atmosphere.
and you should have thought more carefully.
and if you can't see why a gaggle of folks saying "mud hut people don't buy Hondas ho ho ho" sounds racist then you don't get out much.
Where as when MIA says she lived in a mud hut, it is 1) quite possibly true, and 2) not perpetuating a racist stereotype in any meaningful way - which actually seems to be some people's problem. Even if it's cynical, who does it hurt?
joeschmo said:<i>why not pour derision on those who really deserve it, such as Williams, or more pertinently Franz Ferdinand and the Futureheads?</i>
because they aren't treading on turf that certain people are heavily personally invested in, that's why...
ripley said:A good rule of thumb is, if you have to explain to a crowd of people you mostly don't know why something you said isn't racist you've already lowered the discourse and created a nasty atmosphere.
and you should have thought more carefully.
and if you can't see why a gaggle of folks saying "mud hut people don't buy Hondas ho ho ho" sounds racist then you don't get out much.
Where as when MIA says she lived in a mud hut, it is 1) quite possibly true, and 2) not perpetuating a racist stereotype in any meaningful way - which actually seems to be some people's problem. Even if it's cynical, who does it hurt?