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Pangaea

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I can't really see that happening. The music of kromestar and random trio for example is different enough, arguably, to warrent it, but the central producers are basically family. They all play each others tunes, play the same raves and come from roughly the same area. Whilst I hear what you're saying about N-Type, he still plays some heavy deeper stuff - loefah and mala beats mainly. Varied selections throughout nights is the norm and I really hope it stays like that. There seems to be real respect between all the central producers, whatever styles they happen to produce.

Also, the main culprits of writing the style you're talking about do make deeper stuff as well, mainly thinking of Benga.

If there's a split coming, I reckon it'll be between the fans (read: bickering on forums) rather than the producers and DJs.

But hasn't Kode 9 (as a primary, perhaps only example :p) distanced himself from 'dubstep' per se? You're probably right about the current dubstep fam sticking together right now and playing each others tunes. However, any split (which is inevitable, really - evolution) is likely to come from new producers that experiment a bit more and take the sound in a different direction.
 

UFO over easy

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But hasn't Kode 9 (as a primary, perhaps only example :p) distanced himself from 'dubstep' per se? You're probably right about the current dubstep fam sticking together right now and playing each others tunes. However, any split (which is inevitable, really - evolution) is likely to come from new producers that experiment a bit more and take the sound in a different direction.

Kode 9 is trying to distance (rofl!1) himself a bit, but he's buddies with the big players - he still plays lots of their tunes in his sets, even if the context in which they're played is massively different to the norm.

I agree with you about the new producers split though, although I'm slightly sceptical about whether or not they'd necessarily be more experimental - primarily because their major influences will be other dubstep producers, and secondly because so far, I don't hear a lot of tracks that can match dmz, kode 9, benga etc in terms of quality, or experimentation for that matter. And it's not for want of looking.

The influences of dubstep producers I think is an interesting subject. I'm drawing for a very obvious comparison here, but I think it's relevant - I'm convinced that in drum and bass, one of the reasons for its creative collapse is due to a lot of big producers coming through with no musical background other than their involvement in drum and bass. In jungle and hardcore, people were taking inspiration from all over the place - hip hop, reggae, house, early rave, funk etc... but when production becomes dominated by people who've only been interested in jungle (because they're TRUE JUNGLISTS, INNIT), the music becomes innately self-referential and creatively stagnant.

In my opinion, it'll be a hard struggle for dubstep to avoid the same problem.
 
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Parson

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except dubstep draws out the real music nerds and they have all kinds of influences so have faith yet
 

Pangaea

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The influences of dubstep producers I think is an interesting subject. I'm drawing for a very obvious comparison here, but I think it's relevant - I'm convinced that in drum and bass, one of the reasons for its creative collapse is due to a lot of big producers coming through with no musical background other than their involvement in drum and bass. In jungle and hardcore, people were taking inspiration from all over the place - hip hop, reggae, house, early rave, funk etc... but when production becomes dominated by people who've only been interested in jungle (because they're TRUE JUNGLISTS, INNIT), the music becomes innately self-referential and creatively stagnant.

In my opinion, it'll be a hard struggle for dubstep to avoid the same problem.

But dubstep was the amalgamation of different genres too, right? And it's still a young genre, hence a lot of people that are into the sound coming from other musical backgrounds too. Of course, you've got a lot of new producers copying the halfstep wobble but there must be plenty of people out there with lots of inspiration, keen to make bass-driven 140bpm stuff.

except dubstep draws out the real music nerds and they have all kinds of influences so have faith yet

Innit, full of nerds :D
 
that's what people called "breakbeat garage" circa 2001.
...before they divested themselves of the association to 2step/garage and called it breakstep. Early cyberfunk, hardcore beats and rat type of stuff, zed bias, deekline, darqwan et al we always called 'breakstep'. At that time we were into early tempa/texture/soulja but also our nu skool and 2step garage yet never called the crossover stuff breakbeat garage

as breakstep morphed into tearout and bassline breaks with a lot of plodstep woven through it , Search & Destroy, Slaughter mob and Oris Jay evolved into something else that just doesn't fit the breakstep tag anymore...

...toasty is in a league of his own but if you want to hear what the epitome of slowed down jungle sounds like, listen to breakfastaz or autobots

there was even a thread on DOA about some kid who pitched up breakfastaz tunes and put em out there as his own which got some big head d'n'b Dj's wanting to sign him an play his shit out not to mention gettin mad propss form the forum massive...

...until quest outed him. I still like a bit of bootyshaking breaks just cos you can dance hardout to it

and yeah, nerds with attitude ??? what's up with that ??? :D
 
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Parson

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there was even a thread on DOA about some kid who pitched up breakfastaz tunes and put em out there as his own which got some big head d'n'b Dj's wanting to sign him an play his shit out not to mention gettin mad propss form the forum massive...

...until quest outed him.

holy lol
 

elgato

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its Disco Recka / All Of A Sudden isnt it

the mala 12 is massive. i wonder if it means that we have to kiss Learn goodbye though... :(
 

mos dan

fact music
ridiculous if Learn falls by the wayside. it feels like over a year since i first heard it, everyone went mad for it at the time (i remember screaming 'why haven't you LEARNED anything?!!' at friends), i've heard it played out like twice since at most, and now it's dead. what kind of life cycle is that?!?

disco rekkah/all of a sudden's a pretty big pairing though it's got to be said.
 

bassnation

the abyss
Marc, I'm not sure I understand the strength of your reaction to wobble.

Yes, it could be signifier of dubstep's ability to reverse into blind alleys, but I'm not sure that all dubstep tunes with wobble on them are always terrible.

I mean, surely this doesn't mean you now dislike 28G, Misty Winter, Tortured, or Qawalli, all of which feature LFOs to a significant degree?

Or for that matter tunes by Prisoners of Technology or Congo Natty?

Bring on dubstep tunes with lots of wobble, at 142+ bpm, AND amens, AND ragga vocal samples, AND diva vocal samples. It'd be ace!

ok, i accept the point about broad brush statements. in fact there are some records that feature a wobble that i do like - but find it hard to articulate what is different about these tracks. i might listen to a few tracks tonight to see if i can deconstruct that visceral reaction a little.

and for what its worth i didn't like the wobble basslines with a lot of jungle either - even at the time. i don't uncritically love all of congo natty's output. theres even some techstep style tunes (fade2balck iirc) that he did quite late on which i personally don't rate.

just because the current crop of dubstep releases (or dubplates rather, seeing as i mostly pick stuff up from rinse sessions) aren't really doing it for me doesn't mean that this will continue. i'm going through a phase of really enjoying listening and producing house music at the moment so maybe its just a case of temporary saturation.
 
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Blackdown

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ridiculous if Learn falls by the wayside. it feels like over a year since i first heard it, everyone went mad for it at the time (i remember screaming 'why haven't you LEARNED anything?!!' at friends), i've heard it played out like twice since at most, and now it's dead. what kind of life cycle is that?!

calm down fella :) i'm sure Learn will come out. all in good time.
 

mos dan

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calm down fella :) i'm sure Learn will come out. all in good time.

cool! the very idea of lost tunes seems so sad to me, especially in the mp3 age.

having said that it does make it kinda special listening to rinse/going to fwd though, knowing that some of those records (grime/dubstep/wharrever) may never be released.
 
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captain easychord

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Not to be a dick but does everything need to be released, documented, contextualized and filed away in some archive forever? The increasing impulse in our society to do this is a bummer, and to see it seeping into abstract, club-based electronic music is kinda shitty.

A lot of the joy I get out of music is due to its ephemeral nature. I love going to parties and not knowing what tune is called! And not caring afterwards! It seems with dubstep fans everytime some big tune never gets released the whole scene has a hissy fit.
 

adruu

This Is It
Anyone know who Marsta/LOK is, and if he still produces? There were a few slower dubby bits from a few years back that are easily Bass Weight material, but they seem to have been lost.
 

bassnation

the abyss
Not to be a dick but does everything need to be released, documented, contextualized and filed away in some archive forever? The increasing impulse in our society to do this is a bummer, and to see it seeping into abstract, club-based electronic music is kinda shitty.

A lot of the joy I get out of music is due to its ephemeral nature. I love going to parties and not knowing what tune is called! And not caring afterwards! It seems with dubstep fans everytime some big tune never gets released the whole scene has a hissy fit.

its always been a part of club music. most scenes the fans are not only punters but sometimes also djs. for every person that doesn't give a shit what the tune is called, theres others who will kill to find out, and yes, to possess it in their sweaty little hands. this mix of how people want to engage with the music is healthy and normal.

ephemeral consumption seems to be to be an unduly romantic view which doesn't work for everyone - and imo is a waste of fantastic music. it limits its spread, its potential - if its exclusive to the cliques that can get to the raves. and having a tune on a recorded mix is not the same as owning a piece of vinyl. if you want to bring the romance back to music, surely vinyl is the one.
 
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Hotorideni

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I'm finding the newer Caspa stuff (not including Moments of Love Remix) is just a kind of gonzo dubstep, where it's all about how much bass you can endure, rather than a tune that makes you dance.
 
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