Why Conspiracy Theories?
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IdleRich
IdleRich
But isn't that what happened with evolution? If humans do indeed have free-will which I'm guessing you're assuming here.
his real name is wayne, dean, gary, scott, alex, paul.
that spinal catastrophe book on urbanomic sort of also debunks evolution by natural selection as well, it makes you think it's just a nineteenth century pipedream like the recapitulation theory. convenient theory that wraps things up all nice for us and puts us at top of tree where we wanna be.
luka
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You're correct he is
vimothy
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it's not a question of AI being new - it's whether it is in fact possible, or plausible. what you are proposing is that a deterministic process, at a sufficient level of complexity, will escape its determinism somehow, and become non-deterministic. but there's no precedent, or theoretical explanation, for this. it's just a counter-intuitive notion, which for whatever reason you find appealing
vimothy
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is that what happened with evolution? there were a bunch of mathematical functions which got more complex somehow and then became humans?
it's a lovely death fantasy for us, we lap it up
more smoke and mirrors, he's playing you like a cat with a mouse
IdleRich
IdleRich
I mean that an increase in complexity seemingly begat first life and then free-will.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Well I'd be more inclined to
@vimothy I think part of the issue here is that I defer to a (dilettante's) language of programming when considering these cosmological things, because I think it provides a useful schema of how order can progress on its own once it is initiated. Not sure how well I worded this.
And I also have the tendency to indulge speculative foundations for a theory, just in the interest of exploring the possible consequences, and I often lose track of where the provisional foundation is. In this case, the provisional foundation would involve enough fuel to run some kind of universe-routine, in the interest of farming/cultivating intelligence.
Yeah I'm currently working within a framework that has the human evolving all way up from basic particles. So evolution into and through the biological.
@vimothy I think part of the issue here is that I defer to a (dilettante's) language of programming when considering these cosmological things, because I think it provides a useful schema of how order can progress on its own once it is initiated. Not sure how well I worded this.
And I also have the tendency to indulge speculative foundations for a theory, just in the interest of exploring the possible consequences, and I often lose track of where the provisional foundation is. In this case, the provisional foundation would involve enough fuel to run some kind of universe-routine, in the interest of farming/cultivating intelligence.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
This would be near my understanding of a materialist cosmology, which is largely what I think is worth exploring. Materialist in such a way as to believe in science for the most part, without being confined by scientism.