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I make no claims to be a Londoner, but according to family legend, I have several uncles, grand uncles and distant relatives who helped build the place...
That good enough for ya?
That good enough for ya?
2stepfan said:I lived in Essex -- but near the end of district line (Hornchurch).
infinite thought said:Isn't London a bit like New York tho? People kind of elect to move there and create a kind of 'existential' city, rather than one based on the contingent fact of birth?
SIZZLE said:This is maybe way OT, maybe not but having grown up in New York (and am therefore, a REAL New Yorker, thank you, thank you) I find that the real new yorkers, very few of them anyway, are the reason NY is an exciting place to be. It's more the alienated young kids from the sticks who have something to prove, come, live in some horrible place, pay horrible rent and just run around intoxicated by the possibility of things and hang out with a lot kids like them that are actually doing anything.
Most of the real New Yorkers I grew up with spend their time getting wasted and complaining about the fake new yorkers, how they drive up rent prices, vice magazine, williamsburg, etc. If they were the only people there NY would be a very different place, and a lot less exciting. So for my money, bring em on, most of these people moved here for a reason (and therefore are often more interesting than those simply born there) and since they are struggling so hard just to be there work harder, do more and generally make things more interesting.
That said, I moved to Berlin and became one of the aforementioned people, that was actually one of the turning points in my relationship to them, so I might not be totally unbiased. I can tell you though, in this case it's more fun driving up the rents and being part of the problem than vice versa.
luka said:to the contrary, i think these people are the very people who fuck a city up. they're dazzled, thats the best way to put it, everything excites them, they're blinded by the dazzle, all they see is gleam. i really loathe these people to be honest.
bassnation said:thats about 75% of london you just wrote off there!
we are talking about people who are slightly more integrated than a bunch of tourists blocking the way in the underground.
remember london has always been this way - its a city of immigrants, built and sustained by outsiders who eventually get sucked in.
Don Rosco said:I was born on Electric Avenue, Brixton (or the nearest maternity hospital anyway).
Left when I was 4 or so thoughi've lived in Dublin for most of the rest of the time, but went back for a year in 95.
So, real. Yet fake.