nomos
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Sometimes the 'gossip, slander, lies' threads become black holes for topics that could be great threads in themselves. I'm going to start pulling more of these out...
Over here stelfox has asked whether the minimal techno influence will make dubstep 'less street.' Tactics asks whether it has ever been 'street.' I say Eshun was right when he argues that 'street' is ghettoizing, drawing simple equations of street = real = black/working class = radical/productive whereas 'not street' = white = bourgeois = timid. Eshun: Everywhere, the 'street' is considered the ground and guarantee of all reality, a compulsory logic explaining all Black Music, conveniently mishearing antisocial surrealism as social realism.
So what is 'street' in musical terms. What does it mean? What does it do? Is it in the sound, the producers, the listeners, the distribution?
Is hip hop still street? If not, was it ever or when did it stop?
I'll pre-emptively bring up the figure of the hipster as well - a straw man if I've ever seen one. I know these creatures do exist, but too often it's lazy code for "white," middle class-looking, or "not as hardcore/devoted as me."
Thoughts?
Over here stelfox has asked whether the minimal techno influence will make dubstep 'less street.' Tactics asks whether it has ever been 'street.' I say Eshun was right when he argues that 'street' is ghettoizing, drawing simple equations of street = real = black/working class = radical/productive whereas 'not street' = white = bourgeois = timid. Eshun: Everywhere, the 'street' is considered the ground and guarantee of all reality, a compulsory logic explaining all Black Music, conveniently mishearing antisocial surrealism as social realism.
So what is 'street' in musical terms. What does it mean? What does it do? Is it in the sound, the producers, the listeners, the distribution?
Is hip hop still street? If not, was it ever or when did it stop?
I'll pre-emptively bring up the figure of the hipster as well - a straw man if I've ever seen one. I know these creatures do exist, but too often it's lazy code for "white," middle class-looking, or "not as hardcore/devoted as me."
Thoughts?
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