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[petergunn]

It was the Elektra Saga and dreadful hack work is a fitting description. This is the run you always hear about though. You always see it up there with Dark Phoenix Saga and Gwen Stacey which to me is just delusional. And it was meant to be a tribute to Will Eisner's The Spirit! ... rolling in grave, etc.

I will get around to checking out the others. When Frank Miller is bad, he is abysmal, but when he's good he actually manages some moments of brilliance. He's also really great at drawing cities at night. His early Wolverine mini-series holds a special place in my heart.

Just started Apostolos Doxiadis's Logicomix: An Epic Search For Truth. It's about the life of Bertrand Russel. Already excited about it. Bertrand Russel is a much better protagonist than Daredevil.

i was gonna get all angry, but the Electra stuff is my least fav of Miller's run on Daredevil...

he started drawing it at issue 159 and then started writing it, then stopped drawing it and only wrote it... my most fav DD stuff is stuff where he doesn't write AND draw... the early stuff is written by Roger Stern and collected in a paperback called Daredevil: Marked For Death... the art is amazing on it... it's issues 159-164, more or less...

and yeah, Born Again is awesome... it's some of the last stuff on Miller's DD run and David Mazzuchelli's artwork is pretty sick:

he quit doing superhero stuff soon after this and draws with a more quirky style....

for the stuff Miller writes AND draws the 2-3 issues w/ the Punisher (180, 181) are pretty great, forgiving the early 80's "ANGELDUST IS BAD" preaching...

 

[petergunn]

i just got all Jim Starlin's Warlock stuff the 70's, which is pretty trippy and cosmic and sorta Stars Wars-y (a hew years b4)... hard to find good pix online, but he takes a lot of cues from Kirby and Sterenko...

 

[connect_icut]

i just got all Jim Starlin's Warlock stuff the 70's, which is pretty trippy and cosmic and sorta Stars Wars-y (a hew years b4)... hard to find good pix online, but he takes a lot of cues from Kirby and Sterenko...

Starlin's run as writer on Batman in the 80s had some phenomenal moments and is sadly overlooked.

 

[Sick Boy]

and yeah, Born Again is awesome... it's some of the last stuff on Miller's DD run and David Mazzuchelli's artwork is pretty sick:
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Oh wow! I had no idea Mazzuchelli did this kind of thing previously, let alone art for Miller on Daredevil. I figured from Asterios Polyp that he'd always been an indie type.

Fuck me! He also did Year One? How have I not made this connection until now? That's pretty interesting.

 

[petergunn]

Oh wow! I had no idea Mazzuchelli did this kind of thing previously, let alone art for Miller on Daredevil. I figured from Asterios Polyp that he'd always been an indie type.

Fuck me! He also did Year One? How have I not made this connection until now? That's pretty interesting.

i got really nerded out on Mazzuchelli's DD stuff in high school... his entire run on it is just really well drawn and you can buy 'em mad cheap...

this issue is written by harlan ellison and is awesome:
http://themattmurdockchronicles.blogspot.com/2011/01/daredevil-208.html

the issue w/ the vulture i remember being drawn really well:

but, the Born Again stuff is prolly the best looking stuff on his run... and yes, Year One is gorgeous, one of the better Batman stories ever written...


speaking, of... connect_icut, anything in particular i should check for in regards to Starlin's Batman stuff? as far as i remember i've only read the Death of Robin stuff by him...

 

[connect_icut]

speaking, of... connect_icut, anything in particular i should check for in regards to Starlin's Batman stuff? as far as i remember i've only read the Death of Robin stuff by him...

Yeah what most people remember of Starlin's Batman is A Death in the Family (which was crap) and The Cult (which was okay). The stuff he did after Ten Nights of the Beast (?) and before A Death in the Family was the bit I particularly liked. I doubt they're collected anywhere and I can't tell you the issue numbers 'cos my comics are in the bedroom and my missus is still asleep.

 

[Sick Boy]

Yeah what most people remember of Starlin's Batman is A Death in the Family (which was crap)

Yeah I was thinking about picking up a Batman recently, and I looked at this, but it looks like another one of those cynical moves The Big Two make when they want to boost sales, so they kill someone off dramatically. Although, in this case they actually allowed readers to vote on what happened. What is that shit about? That's taking the piss a little bit.

 

[petergunn]

Yeah what most people remember of Starlin's Batman is A Death in the Family (which was crap) and The Cult (which was okay). The stuff he did after Ten Nights of the Beast (?) and before A Death in the Family was the bit I particularly liked. I doubt they're collected anywhere and I can't tell you the issue numbers 'cos my comics are in the bedroom and my missus is still asleep.

oh yeah, the cult... forgot about that... i liked it... totally ludicrous, but fun...


went to a comic con today and about batman 414-420... are those good Starlin issues?

 

[Dunninger]

Oh wow! I had no idea Mazzuchelli did this kind of thing previously, let alone art for Miller on Daredevil. I figured from Asterios Polyp that he'd always been an indie type.

Fuck me! He also did Year One? How have I not made this connection until now? That's pretty interesting.

Any opinions on Asterios Polyp? There's a lot of praise for it, but I also heard the opinion that behind all the style and cleverness it's rather empty.

Yesterday I finished Autoroute du Soleil by Baru, the story of two young men, one of them an arab, who are hunted by a nazi through France. Really good.

 

[connect_icut]

oh yeah, the cult... forgot about that... i liked it... totally ludicrous, but fun... went to a comic con today and about batman 414-420... are those good Starlin issues?

The ones I have actually start with 420 (the final part of Ten Nights of the Beast). The run I particularly like goes from 421 to 425. Basically, the run-up to A Death in the Family, which is far better than the pay-off.

 

[droid]

Vagabond is truly outstanding. Worth getting the paper version:

http://www.mangareader.net/100/vagabond.html

 

[matt b]

Vagabond is truly outstanding. Worth getting the paper version

Yes! Picked up volume one before Christmas and loved it. Got volume 2, but haven't had a chance to read it yet.

There are about 10 massive volumes out so far!

 

[Corpsey]

Can y'all recommend me a couple of essential comics/graphic novels? I like Peter Bagge and I read a good Joe Sacco book the other day (''The Fixer''). I know nothing about comics though.

 

[Sick Boy]

Any opinions on Asterios Polyp?

Haven't read the thing, but I've flipped through it a couple of times and at the very least it looks gorgeous.

Can y'all recommend me a couple of essential comics/graphic novels? I like Peter Bagge and I read a good Joe Sacco book the other day (''The Fixer''). I know nothing about comics though.

If you go through this thread, it's accumulated a pretty good list by now. Depends where you wanna start, but Alan Moore - Watchmen, Art Spiegelman - Maus, and Chris Ware - Jimmy Corrigan, are three pretty major books that have really influenced modern comics. Joe Sacco is fantastic as well, he's very original and an insanely pain-staking and evocative illustrator. Anything by him will be excellent.

 

[connect_icut]

Can y'all recommend me a couple of essential comics/graphic novels? I like Peter Bagge and I read a good Joe Sacco book the other day (''The Fixer''). I know nothing about comics though.

Alison Bechdel - Fun Home
Daniel Clowes - Ghost World
Dame Darcy - Meatcake Compendium
Will Eisner - A Contract with God
Jaime Henandez - Locas (the big one)
Kevin Huizenga - Curses
Frank Miller - Ronin
Alan Moore - Promethea (all of the volumes)
Richard Sala - The Chuckling Whatsit
Seth - It's a Good Life if You Don't Weaken
Jaques Tardi - It Was the War of the Trenches
Chris Ware - Jimmy Corrigan

Lots of other stuff I can't think of right now.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Can y'all recommend me a couple of essential comics/graphic novels? I like Peter Bagge and I read a good Joe Sacco book the other day (''The Fixer''). I know nothing about comics though.

Alan Moore definitely. Watchmen and From Hell are both essential but I think my favourites might be the first two League of Extraordinary Gentleman books. Don't let the shite film put you off, they're brilliant.

 

[Corpsey]

Alison Bechdel - Fun Home
Daniel Clowes - Ghost World
Dame Darcy - Meatcake Compendium
Will Eisner - A Contract with God
Jaime Henandez - Locas (the big one)
Kevin Huizenga - Curses
Frank Miller - Ronin
Alan Moore - Promethea (all of the volumes)
Richard Sala - The Chuckling Whatsit
Seth - It's a Good Life if You Don't Weaken
Jaques Tardi - It Was the War of the Trenches
Chris Ware - Jimmy Corrigan

Lots of other stuff I can't think of right now.

I love you, thoroughly un-platonically.

 

[connect_icut]

I love you, thoroughly un-platonically.

Which reminds me: has anyone here read Moore's Lost Girls? I've always been put off it by the $100 price tag and the fact that it's, like, y'know... porn. But it seems like it might be at least some kind of master work.

 

[Sick Boy]

Seth - It's a Good Life if You Don't Weaken

Corps - If you like Seth, you'll love Chester Brown who also publishes on the Canadian publishing label par excellence, Drawn and Quarterly.

Some recommendations: I Never Liked You, Ed The Happy Clown, and Louis Riel.

 

[Sick Boy]

Which reminds me: has anyone here read Moore's Lost Girls? I've always been put off it by the $100 price tag and the fact that it's, like, y'know... porn. But it seems like it might be at least some kind of master work.

I know in some countries you actually can't buy it because it doesn't pass obscenity laws. It sounds like it's undergone some pretty strange penumbral cases regarding whether or not it can be considered child pornography.