with reference to this
and this
and of course this (though, with embarrassment, i've yet to pick up the book)
isn't the disappearance of black bands the main reason for the lack of dialogue b/w white indie rock and black music over the past 20 years or so???
sly family stone -- p-funk -- slave -- the indisputable truth -- kool and the gang -- isley brothers
once this generation of black bands leaves the scene, circa 83/85, that's when the dialogue stops . . . .
hip hop took over the streets
as for hip hop's influence on "white" music, there have been . . . .
(1) developments in dance music like jungle narrowly, plus other exchanges broadly
(2) indie hip hop -- e.g., definitive jux -- and of course eminem
(3) some developments in indie rock proper, e.g., mbv's "soon" supposedly, or bands like cibo matto
but in the main, hip hop has had little influence on the development of indie rock
HOWEVER, might this not simply be because -- and it's so damn obvious -- indie rock is based around guitar, drums, bass, maybe keyboard and synths, and therefore its practitioners find it difficult to borrow from hip hop
so aren't the real questions these =
(1) WHY did black bands disappear? WHY the victory of hip hop over black funk and rock bands?
(2) Now that hip hop has gotten so stale, WHY haven't we seen a return of black bands into public consciousness?
and this
and of course this (though, with embarrassment, i've yet to pick up the book)
isn't the disappearance of black bands the main reason for the lack of dialogue b/w white indie rock and black music over the past 20 years or so???
sly family stone -- p-funk -- slave -- the indisputable truth -- kool and the gang -- isley brothers
once this generation of black bands leaves the scene, circa 83/85, that's when the dialogue stops . . . .
hip hop took over the streets
as for hip hop's influence on "white" music, there have been . . . .
(1) developments in dance music like jungle narrowly, plus other exchanges broadly
(2) indie hip hop -- e.g., definitive jux -- and of course eminem
(3) some developments in indie rock proper, e.g., mbv's "soon" supposedly, or bands like cibo matto
but in the main, hip hop has had little influence on the development of indie rock
HOWEVER, might this not simply be because -- and it's so damn obvious -- indie rock is based around guitar, drums, bass, maybe keyboard and synths, and therefore its practitioners find it difficult to borrow from hip hop
so aren't the real questions these =
(1) WHY did black bands disappear? WHY the victory of hip hop over black funk and rock bands?
(2) Now that hip hop has gotten so stale, WHY haven't we seen a return of black bands into public consciousness?