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bassnation

the abyss
noel emits said:
You'd taste it in the water though, not to put a dampener on this fine plan.
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and i'd just like to say, this plan is purely hypothetical if you are reading this, officer. lol. i kind of like the direction dissensus is taking right now. its reached that level of maturity in forum terms where people have been on for long enough to let some outrageous things hang out, which suits me just fine. its been creasing me up with laughter of late.
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
bassnation said:
i reckon it would be like a scene from 28 days later - i've seen people get spiked and generally it doesn't end well. its one thing to know what you've done and it goes wrong - but having no idea, you would think you were having a pyschotic break which in effect would be close the truth.
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yeah medically i think acid trip is classified as temporary psychosis. and in this day and age... all the pent up rage and frustration... yeah will certainly be more like 28 days than Alice in WOnderland (to use an extreme example)

noel emits said:
If you were spiked how long do think it would take to realise?

If everyone in your area was simultaneously dosed would it be more confusing?

Like a modern day outbreak of St. Anthony's Fire.
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well i and other people who've done it many times before would prolly know exactly what's going on -- wait a minute, that taste, tracers... i've been spiked.

St. Anthony's Fire was caused by a contaminated yeast, right? so that entire villiges would start tripping? or is that something else? did it only happen in Europe? and mostly in Germany right?
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
zhao said:
St. Anthony's Fire was caused by a contaminated yeast, right? so that entire villiges would start tripping? or is that something else? did it only happen in Europe? and mostly in Germany right?
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Salem. Has been suggested.
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
bassnation said:
and i'd just like to say, this plan is purely hypothetical if you are reading this, officer. lol. i kind of like the direction dissensus is taking right now. its reached that level of maturity in forum terms where people have been on for long enough to let some outrageous things hang out, which suits me just fine. its been creasing me up with laughter of late.
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until some annoying pricks show up. notice how we have much more fun when certain dickheads ain't around?
 
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gek-opel

entered apprentice
bassnation said:
thats the corn fungus which they synthesised acid from right? i have to be honest, not a big fan of lsd, too unfocussed and unpredictable. you have to be either very balanced or not very bright not to fuck up on it which rules it out for a lot of people.
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The hideousness is what made it enjoyable, in a terrifying sinister kind of way.
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
LSD, now there's a topic.

It is a cheeky one, but I think if you take enough (in one go) then none of that stuff really matters - you can break through to a really beautiful clear state. I also think there's been a lot of almost-acid around for the last 20 years or so. Not very well made - you know when you get the good stuff, it fees great. I don't think this is just set and setting.
 
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gek-opel

entered apprentice
I dunno about that... personality type comes into it (ie- are you trusting generally? do you give in to the effect or feel it as an assault) and obviously the whole thing is a ridiculous feedback loop, reinforcing itself.
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
gek-opel said:
I dunno about that... personality type comes into it (ie- are you trusting generally? do you give in to the effect or feel it as an assault) and obviously the whole thing is a ridiculous feedback loop, reinforcing itself.
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Hmm - that's psychedelia by definition - your mind becoming apparent to itself. Frankly I love the stuff - feels like coming home. Not sure what that says about me. Haven't gone there for ages now though.

There's a lot of wisdom in that Tibetan Book Of The Dead business - about transcending ego games (hallucinations) - it's kind of fun but you don't have to get caught up in all that.

One thing to do is to accelerate fear and confusion to the point that you can't contain it - willingly 'lose it' - it's hanging on that causes problems.
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
zhao said:
do you mean hallucinations are the ego games or hallucinations is the transcendence?
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I mean the hallucinations are 'ego games'. Although I don't really like any of those terms. :eek:

What gek was talking about 'feedback loops' sounds to me like the sort of thing the mind does when trying desperately to get a grip on chaos.

The 'transcendence' has the absolute sense of suddenly not being a hallucination.
 
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nomadologist

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noel emits said:
LSD, now there's a topic.

It is a cheeky one, but I think if you take enough (in one go) then none of that stuff really matters - you can break through to a really beautiful clear state. I also think there's been a lot of almost-acid around for the last 20 years or so. Not very well made - you know when you get the good stuff, it fees great. I don't think this is just set and setting.
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This is certainly true. I've had sheet acid where the dickheads forgot to wash the paint off, and I vomitted black for a few days!!

I have a vial of liquid in my fridge at home. If anyone wants when I get home I can send you some. NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING is more ecstatic and subtlely life-affirming than taking good liquid tabs. Or squeezing straight out of the vial into your mouth. And listing to D.O.A. by TG, or something equally as good, on vinyl eating figs and drinking expensive wine.

I always wonder if people at work could tell I was tripping, but I really, honestly don't think they could.
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
noel emits said:
One thing to do is to accelerate fear and confusion to the point that you can't contain it - willingly 'lose it' - it's hanging on that causes problems.
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that makes sense in a way. in many schools of martial arts they teach that the best, maybe sometimes only way to conquer fear is to face it head on... total immersion -- if you're afraid of heights then go sky-diving.

and in order to do this the mind has to be turned off... the mind is the enemy. is what is holding us back, reinforcing habitual patterns that we'd be much stronger if we were to break through.
 
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nomadologist

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zhao said:
so true about physical pain. i've thought about that before. and i think people forget what mental pain feels like too -- what causes people to make the same mistakes over and over (abusive relationships for instance... in addition to the addiction-to-abuse itself thing -- where you forget how the asshole or bitch gets and only see the good side when you get back together)

see it does have to do with sex :)
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This is such a good point you and Bass made. (I am a girl, I swear--ask Zhao or Mistersloane, they're my myspace friends). I'm pretty sure physical pain is literally one of the physical sensations the brain can't "recall" in remembering it...have to look this up for scientific proof but there's a lot of research on this...

This is why the second withdrawal ends you're like "that wasn't so bad--I'm just gonna get one more"
 
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nomadologist

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Actually, only 3 people are left (unjailed) on the East Coast who know how to make acid properly anymore--most of what passes is 2ct7 or other terrible crap sprayed on sheets.

I get my sent from Portland, Oregon usually.
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
nomadologist said:
This is such a good point you and Bass made. (I am a girl, I swear--ask Zhao or Mistersloane, they're my myspace friends). I'm pretty sure physical pain is literally one of the physical sensations the brain can't "recall" in remembering it...have to look this up for scientific proof but there's a lot of research on this...

This is why the second withdrawal ends you're like "that wasn't so bad--I'm just gonna get one more"
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So now that you've learned that you never learn from your mistakes isn't it time to actually stop making the same ones?

Not you, but in general - shouldn't that be the next step?
 
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nomadologist

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You'd think, wouldn't you?

I'm trying really hard. Really really really hard. I have to go get shots of ativan and clonidine every so often so I can sleep for a few hours.

Oh I see. Yeah that should be the next step. I have to clear my head with a few trips, first, though. It's been a couple months.
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
are you serious nomad??? when i read that my heart started racing... but it's silly i can prolly find it here as well.

the best i've ever had were "micro-dots". those tiny little black beads. very clear. euphoric.

mescaline is awesome too.
 
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