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gek-opel said:
Hang on I thought you were very dismissive of BDSM cultures?
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I am, was kidding. Though I do think one can radically deterritorialize oneself practicing BDSM, it's a problem when you become too much a part of the "community", which is just full of creeps.
 
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nomadologist said:
Ever read Heidegger?

You might start with "The Question Concerning Technology"--discusses ontology and technology at length.

D&G's ontology is really complicted, to understand this I'd (imagine this) recommend Badiou's Deleuze, The Clamor of Being
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Could you perhaps talk about what you think and deduce, from your own experience? I'm not talking about someone else's idea of ontology, I'm talking about actual 'being' and 'reality' and one's relation to it., not what's in a book.
 
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turtles said:
would things live avatars in MMO games like world of warcraft of second life count? (i'm not really sure what ur talking about here...)
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Yes, according to many. I'm sceptical, though...imagine that!
 
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noel emits said:
Could you perhaps talk about what you think and deduce, from your own experience?
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From my own experience, I deduce that mental illness is a highly complex function of a number of factors including but not limited to: genetic predisposition/potential, upbringing in the broadest sense, environmental stimuli/situational triggers, severe and habitual drug abuse, etc.
 
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nomadologist said:
Yes, according to many. I'm sceptical, though...imagine that!
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hahaha, how unlke your usual trusting, unquestioning self.

but wasn't there some kid in south korea who played WOW for something like 50 hours straight without eating or drinking and then died? Surely that's about as dissasociated with the needs/desires of teh body as you can get.
 
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It's a difficult balance to attain. But the endgame is always death, is it not?

Is it really so bad to die?

P.S. I don't know if it's about becoming dissociated with the needs and desires of the body. It's about radically re-aligning them and reconditioning yourself.
 
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Dogma? No, essentialism is dogma. Ontology without "spirituality" or "spiritualism" is an attempt to get outside of Western or Occidental "dogmaS"

It's everything the anti-Enlightenment is all about.

Sigh.
 
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nomadologist said:
Ok, interesting. I don't believe in spirits, of any kind. I am a materialist/atheist and so I do not think that focusing on your spirituality is somehow exempt from the mechanistic determination of capitalism. No more so than anything else is.
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The second part of this is so out of left field that I'm not sure I can even relate it to what I said. 'exempt from the mechanistic determination of capitalism'? What does that mean? How many assumptions and misconceptions are in there?
 
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gek-opel said:
Yes. dying will be terrible. To have never lived at all would be beyond the blissiest bliss tho...
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I don't know, I've always wanted to be awake when I die. I know most people say they want to die in their sleep, but I definitely don't.
 
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nomadologist said:
From my own experience, I deduce that mental illness is a highly complex function of a number of factors including but not limited to: genetic predisposition/potential, upbringing in the broadest sense, environmental stimuli/situational triggers, severe and habitual drug abuse, etc.
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And, attitude towards the world / belief systems. No problems there.

My point was that BEING HEALTHY /= BECOMING A BETTER CONSUMER ("better oiled capitalist consumption machines")

Quite the opposite I think.

That was all, until you had a panic about spirits.
 
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noel emits said:
The second part of this is so out of left field that I'm not sure I can even relate it to what I said. 'exempt from the mechanistic determination of capitalism'? What does that mean? How many assumptions and misconceptions are in there?
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Out of left field? The entire discussion is about capitalism as a viral infection, but ok, whatever Noel.

That much has been ASSUMED by even Turtles.
 
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Maybe I missed a post of yours? I thought you had been arguing that anti-capitalism can be better served by healthy people, or at least that "spiritual well-being" was important on some level.

Explain what you meant again?
 
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nomadologist said:
It's a difficult balance to attain. But the endgame is always death, is it not?

Is it really so bad to die?

P.S. I don't know if it's about becoming dissociated with the needs and desires of the body. It's about radically re-aligning them and reconditioning yourself.
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Well you'll be happy to know that there are a lot of people in the computer science world who are very keen on things like "distributed cognition" and embodiment, whereby technology comes to be considered part of the body and even our thought process (or even better, when our thought processes and body become part of technology). I saw a nice graph of embodiment a while back in one of my classes that I should try and dredge up.
 
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noel emits said:
That was all, until you had a panic about spirits.
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I didn't have a panic at all, I just happen to be a fervent materialist. Is there something wrong with that?

Why does everyone on here refer to ideas other people have hashed out long ago and better than any of us could, when they haven't read these source texts (which is fine, nothing wrong with that)-- and then get mad at those who have? What gives?
 
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turtles said:
Well you'll be happy to know that there are a lot of people in the computer science world who are very keen on things like "distributed cognition" and embodiment, whereby technology becomes to be considered part of the body and even our thought process (or even better, when our thought processes and body become part of technology). I saw a nice graph of embodiment a while back in one of my classes that I should try and dredge up.
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This sounds awesome!! If you find it throw it up, I will be forever grateful :D
 
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