thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I'm thinking more broadly than just jungle. It's the same with everything. There's some intangible component that can't be recovered.

because you've necessarily conditioned yourself to already match the product to expectation. We all have to do. It's kind of the limitation of the futuristic discourse, especially for things as localised as jungle, grime, dubstep etc.

House and techno have the upper hand in that regard as the changes are always incrimental.
 

woops

is not like other people
because you've necessarily conditioned yourself to already match the product to expectation. We all have to do. It's kind of the limitation of the futuristic discourse, especially for things as localised as jungle, grime, dubstep etc.

House and techno have the upper hand in that regard as the changes are always incrimental.
what's the best house and techno tune
 

gremino

Moster Sirphine
I guess musical influence is one thing. Original junglists were directly influenced by rare groove, reggae, hiphop, acid house/techno/rave. I think the oomph, impact and immediacy comes from rare groove/reggae/hiphop, which has that "real" immediacy compared to dance music. Also the original working class raves must have influence, where ravers went to actually have fun :D

And the basslines, they're actually composed. What I'm trying to say is they have catch. Even when they're wild/experiemental, you can hear how producers had an idea going on - "what if I try to put it in this crazy way".
Jungle uses populist music styles (which were original junglists' own demographic's music) as it's raw material, and makes avant-garde, experimental and technical collages and mosaics out of them. Then the jungle djs autonomously broadcasted that music on pirate radios. This just inspires me, no matter if jungle is old news.
 

gremino

Moster Sirphine
And the basslines, they're actually composed. What I'm trying to say is they have catch. Even when they're wild/experiemental, you can hear how producers had an idea going on - "what if I try to put it in this crazy way".
BASSLINES

Simple and super catchy. Has that pure jungle swagger you just don't get from revival tracks.


Clear idea with the composition. Also sesame street break is used in 4x4-type way, not in complex way with ghost snares. Here the intrinsic value is not complexity, but absorbing catchy track. And it still experiments with the genre!


One of the classics.


And then wild and experimental. I think it's harder to come with basslines like these when you're making revival tracks from formula. And these are not experiments with crazy-complex breakbeats or weird techy basslines, but with the humble sine bass!

 
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