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dave quam

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I said Kanye claimed it was Rza who influenced him to make people into chipmunks, I never said anything about inventing anything, and I'm sure there a lot of people stupid enough to believe things like that. Which I still find funny because I don't think of chipmunk samples when I think of rza...not like we are talking at least:

"Maybe this style is common knowledge for my house heads (Padraig?), but conventional hip hop wisdom has always traced the chipmunk trend directly back to RZA. Kanye even “admitted” as much in an interview with Time magazine*. Which is odd because, off the top of my head, I can’t think of a single Wu record where a male vocal sample is sped up to sound like a woman or a rodent. “Can It All Be So Simple?” is often cited as the chipmunk prototype, but that’s just Gladys at about +1. It’s hardly the sort of dramatic gender bending leaps that Ye and Blaze would be taking ten years later. Stuff like “Shadowboxing” had pitched up vocal fragments embedded in the beat, but he wasn’t building them into hooks"

from this post on cocaine blunts: http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/?p=3493
 
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daddek

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cocaine blunts said:
" I can’t think of a single Wu record where a male vocal sample is sped up to sound like a woman or a rodent.
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well, the male thing aside, gza "shadowboxin", wu "for heavens sake" are pretty damn chipmunky. but yeh, fair play he didnt do it often. the rza signature vocal thing was more using sung vocal fragments & shards, in that deliberate offhand manner, as part of the main loop. eg, the above tunes also.
anyway, juke.
 
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nnazem

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a few things:

on the matter of slowin and speedin up samples:
1. spinn n rashad used to do that shit waaaay back in the day. they only do it every once in a while now. rashad for example did it for betta myspace.

but clent and solo were notorious for that. on that rp boo mixtape i put up, the solo track what have you done is a good example. and then the track either right before or right after is the clent track got in those jeans.

oh yeah, i talked to clent a few days ago, and he's up for puttin some of his ol mixtapes online. you guys can now get a good idea of what shit used to be like. i think some may already be on junodownload, but i'll still give out some free shit.

as for overkill, the shit will be everywhere else on dec. 14th. i understand the frustration from all these various sites, but i'm just tryin to get a few german people to dig the tracks. you can't blame me for tryin to expand the fanbase!!!

oh yeah, rashad is gonna have not just 1, but 2 albums released on dec. 14th as well. now that the ghettophiles site is damn near 90% functional, we'll be puttin a lot of shit up there. i'll always have love for you guys on dissensus though! i will forever participate in sparticus discussions, haha.

-neema
 
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mms

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Aww Nein said:
one thing im curious about in all this "innovators of footwork" debate is the whole formal thing of pitching the main backing samples up and down, somthing that DJ Nate does in pretty much every one of his songs but somthing i dont really here in most of the other tracks (rashad, spinn, arpebu etc). i mean is this somthing that a lot of of the people in the juke scene frown upon, or think is a bit childish/not serious? it wasnt really mentioned in daves footwork history article (unless i missed it), but for me and most of my friends when i first heard footwork (via nate, this thread and whatever else i could find on youtube back in 2008/9 or somthing) this was one on the main formal innovations, slowing down the backing track while the percussion stays at the same tempo giving this really weird 2 time thing, and this amazing freedom in tempo that linked with the dancing

i meani know this sample thing has grown out of hip hop generally, chopped and screwed and chipmunk vocals etc, but when did this become such a big thing in footwork? nnazem and dave...? :D
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hang on shit loads of chicago house records from 85 onwards fuck around with the pitches of little samples, which was probably an evolution of what Dave's saying about Ron Hardy etc.

its house 85'

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risque - 89 i think:

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i just assumed it was a evolution on this sort of thing, rather than anything to do with hip hop per-se though of course hip hop and juke are as intertwined as juke and house so it's probably a mixture of both things.

uk hardcore was fucking with pitches in melodies and vocals in 90-91 before US hip hop really did anyway, that was probably an evolution off tracks like the ones above too, and of course having fuck all sampling time and making a fast track.

here's one - like a more extreme version of what them chicago boys were doing in the late 80's made in 92' early jungle of course.
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acen chipmunk fuckery - 92 -
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load of other examples and also sampled sections just shifting in pitch - cos people just sampled pianos etc and played em back on a keyboard.
 
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dave quam

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It's House is definitely a track to mention when we are talking about triplets as well!

BANG BANG BANG SKEET SKEET SKEET BANG BANG BANG SKEET SKEET SKEET

same shit over 10 years earlier

but listen to the original version that video above is kinda weird

(im talkin about the part like 2 mins in)
 
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matmustard

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if we're throwing up old clips then gotta have this - out to rashad
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nnazem

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damn mms, you got me on this shit, haha. i've been so stuck in juke mode i forgot about the ancestry. yeah, shit is definitely been a longtime staple of house music. i was about to say it was juke that started slowin down the claps as well, but deeon had hit that speed a whilllllle ago.

but on a serious note, dave invented juke.
 
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mms

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dave quam said:
It's House is definitely a track to mention when we are talking about triplets as well!

BANG BANG BANG SKEET SKEET SKEET BANG BANG BANG SKEET SKEET SKEET

same shit over 10 years earlier

but listen to the original version that video above is kinda weird

(im talkin about the part like 2 mins in)
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yeah there are a couple of versions of that - its house+ on the same record its dub and another version of it's house on a 12" from what this is taken with the reverse edits.

re: poindexter - i blame him for practically everything, the man set out the templates.
 
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mms

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here's a nice example of mike dunn doing that whole looped voice thing that the juke boys refined

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and md rapping over acid - the toms are totally on point too.
the title is dedicated to matt mustard.

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nnazem

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no worries mms, i know how i'm probably the reason why there is a confrontational atmosphere on this site.

but i'm glad to see that we're all family and friends again, haha.
 
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