Palm Island Dubai - Spiral Jetty Utah

[luka]

Sufi loves it. He used to smuggle drugs using it as a hub. He made alot of ££££ and got out clean. Looks like hell to me but what do i know

 

[version]

dubai is fucked but it's the new york of the 21st century. new money, the new global migrant city. the new order

Is there anything comparable to what was going on culturally in 20th century New York though?

 

[shakahislop]

Is there anything comparable to what was going on culturally in 20th century New York though?

depends what you stick within your parameters of culture i think. if you're talking about the traditional arts then no there's still basically nothing so far as i know. but then most people in dubai aren't western except for a small quite rich tranche so i wouldn't know like if the africans south asians philipinos have something going on. and then why would you be looking at music films literature anyway it's not where the juice is

 

[Benny Bunter]

Barty tuuuuuune...

 

[version]

depends what you stick within your parameters of culture i think. if you're talking about the traditional arts then no there's still basically nothing so far as i know. but then most people in dubai aren't western except for a small quite rich tranche so i wouldn't know like if the africans south asians philipinos have something going on. and then why would you be looking at music films literature anyway it's not where the juice is

I am talking about the traditional arts, yeah. Surely a big part of what made New York into "New York" was all the music, writing, etc. that came out of the city and which drew people to it?

 

[Benny Bunter]

Does wiley still live there?

 

[luka]

I am talking about the traditional arts, yeah. Surely a big part of what made New York into "New York" was all the music, writing, etc. that came out of the city and which drew people to it?

Shaka is guna do his his bit about how mike thurston is the jimi hendrix of our time

 

[luka]

Not his best routine imo

 

[shakahislop]

I am talking about the traditional arts, yeah. Surely a big part of what made New York into "New York" was all the music, writing, etc. that came out of the city and which drew people to it?

there's a lot of ways to think about it. the angle i'm coming from is as a mad new social phenomenon. migrant cities bashing twenty different cultures together. a human arrangement that hasn't been tried before glued together by all the money in the world

 

[version]

Isabel Oakeshott, the odious right wing hack journalist and partner of Reform's Richard Tice, claims she moved to Dubai because of Labour's plans to put VAT on private school fees.

 

[shakahislop]

Shaka is guna do his his bit about how mike thurston is the jimi hendrix of our time

even i'm sick of writing that tbh but it's just so obvious

 

[luka]

Revolution in the air

 

[version]

there's a lot of ways to think about it. the angle i'm coming from is as a mad new social phenomenon. migrant cities bashing twenty different cultures together. a human arrangement that hasn't been tried before glued together by all the money in the world

Aren't London and New York still like that too though?

 

[luka]

Aren't London and New York still like that too though?

More so. By a million billion times actually

 

[version]

Shaka is guna do his his bit about how mike thurston is the jimi hendrix of our time

even i'm sick of writing that tbh but it's just so obvious

I get the argument, but I don't feel it in my gut. It doesn't sound right. I'd be more convinced by the claim art doesn't matter nowadays than the claim that the new art is this stuff which isn't art, like being a fitness influencer.

 

[shakahislop]

Aren't London and New York still like that too though?

yeah sort of but they're old now. old cities. lots of things established and set in stone. and the numbers aren't the same. dubai is at least 90% migrants and most of them moved there in the last 20 years

 

[shakahislop]

I get the argument, but I don't feel it in my gut. It just doesn't sound right. I'd be more convinced by a claim that art just doesn't matter nowadays than a claim that the new art is this stuff which isn't art, like being a fitness influencer.

it's not art but it's where a lot of the energy that used to be in music and films has gone

 

[luka]

I get the argument, but I don't feel it in my gut. It just doesn't sound right. I'd be more convinced by a claim that art just doesn't matter nowadays than a claim that the new art is this stuff which isn't art, like being a fitness influencer.

It doesnt quite work does it

 

[shakahislop]

energy and money

 

[shakahislop]

and purpose as well. a load of the emotional / social / etc needs that were filled by films and music are filled by the internet thing now