Fascism!

[nikbee]

that's true - but to my mind there is a fundamental difference between a famine & sending people to death camps. tho famine may be & often is used as a weapon.

what I really mean is - if you are exercising power & you make a bad decision but one that is (more or less, at least) in good faith are how morally responsible are you for the negative outcomes of that decision? (I don't mean to say that the Great Leap Forward specifically was in good faith - it seems like it mostly was but I'm not really sure?)

not very responsible, as far as im concerned.. if it was a True act..

the infinite multiple prevents one from knowing 'in actu' (how you like that, nomad) what the consequences will be (to their very end).

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

this does not deny the betrayal, but it arrests the truth (before egoistic self-interest betrays it), which can be used in a Truth process, to create a new Truth (this is dialectics of the Two)

to which I would say; who is to judge the point at which the truth has been arrested? who is to separate the truth from the betrayal? who is to create the new Truth? Badiou, presumably.

also, this has nothing to do with the validity of his ideas but I suspect that under a Maoist (or post-Maoist, whatever) regime Badiou would be purged very quickly.

 

[nomadthethird]

Every day, the Badiouian communards have me more convinced that realism is very necessary against the high tide of horseshit that gets passed off for "thought" these days.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

not very responsible, as far as im concerned.. if it was a True act..

right - but - by assuming power you're also assuming responsibility.

 

[nikbee]

Every day, the Badiouian communards have me more convinced that realism is very necessary against the high tide of horseshit that gets passed off for "thought" these days.

 

[nomadthethird]

Одакле си Nikbee?

 

[josef k.]

Josef, the internet is the only place where this Badiouian stuff floats. Ever wonder why? Seems pretty obvious...

Much the same way conspiracy theories work pretty well online.

The medium is the message, after all, and all of that stuff.

But the internet is not nothing; it flows into culture.

Every day, the Badiouian communards have me more convinced that realism is very necessary against the high tide of horseshit that gets passed off for "thought" these days.

A great phrase.

**

nickbee, please no more of that fucking teeth-creature.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

sidenote: I find it fascinating that passing thru the crucible of May 1968 had such different, almost opposite, effects on Badiou & Fredy Perlman.

I'm, of course, with the latter.

 

[nikbee]

right - but - by assuming power you're also assuming responsibility.

yes. i certainly would take responsibility.. did mao deny responsibility? im not questioning, i really dont know.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

also I really enjoy it when we've gotten one of these politics threads good & cracking.

 

[nomadthethird]

It does flow in and it doesn't. It creates a virtual world where some comments are very easy to throw out there (usually to fellow believers), without hearing any cogent counterpoints or ever having a chance to actually engage in discourse or dialogue. So you have these little communities that create belief systems that never have to meet up with reality or find a way to work offline: they perpetuate themselves anywhere where there are fellow believers. Anyone who isn't a believer is summarily placed into the "Them" in an Us versus Them game of "dialectical" unreason.

 

[nomadthethird]

yes. i certainly would take responsibility.. did mao deny responsibility? im not questioning, i really dont know.

Snort.

 

[nikbee]

Одакле си Nikbee?

i am a croatian national.. but my father is serbian.. i hardly remember how to read Cyrillic.

and you?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

did mao deny responsibility? im not questioning, i really dont know.

I don't know either. I suspect Mao probably felt himself beyond "responsibility". he was a big Nietschze fan wasn't he? or am I making that up?

I don't know how you can claim you wouldn't be very responsible if it was a "True act" but that you'd claim responsibility anyways? either you're responsible or you're not - there's a difference between degree of responsibilty & categorically having or not having responsibility.

this is one of my problems with communism-in-practice, actually - that it removes the responsibility from any one person, rather ironically like a corporation. everyone is, ultimately, disposable.

 

[nomadthethird]

Да ли говориш српски ???

 

[nomadthethird]

i am a croatian national.. but my father is serbian.. i hardly remember how to read Cyrillic.

and you?

You know where I'm from.

 

[nikbee]

Да ли говориш српски ???

yes, but im a really, really slow reader.. i was 6 when we left (1991). didnt have much chance to practice.. and my parents certainly werent going to put me in one of those Croatian church schools..

 

[nikbee]

You know where I'm from.

i dont. did i miss something?

 

[nomadthethird]

yes, but im a really, really slow reader.. i was 6 when we left (1991). didnt have much chance to practice.. and my parents certainly werent going to put me in one of those Croatian church schools..

I don't believe you. In Croatia they start kids in school earlier than 6, and you should at least remember Russian...

I remember the Italian I heard as a kid, and I can usually tell what people are saying.

 

[vimothy]

also I really enjoy it when we've gotten one of these politics threads good & cracking.

...This is the irrepressible lightness and joy of being communist.