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scottdisco

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somebody who the BBC labelled as a Tehran resident just phoned up their rolling news channel and had a chat. she described seeing Basij cut the throat of a man with a large knife. she repeated a few times the need for them [protestors] to become organised and asked the anchor to tell the World Service to keep refreshing their coverage. the MKO were being fingered by top brass, the anchor later added.
 
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scottdisco

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3 Body No Problem said:
See here for an initial overview.
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don't worry, those sorts are, i am confident, not taken too seriously by anybody worth respecting in intellectual or ethical terms.

and respect due to Greenwald for sketching out - with some restraint, it must be said - the ways in which those sorts of bomb Iran fools can be marginalised.
it's extremely clear that the POTUSA and anyone that matters in D.C. is not listening to them.

it's a bit like saying Lindsey German represents the most principled opposition to ISAF actions in Afghanistan.
 
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scottdisco

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corking article mind, of course, 3 Body, all due respect.

i think my absolute favourite {sic} was

after Podhoretz casually called for England to "bomb the Iranians into smithereens" if their sailors weren't immediately returned
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:mad:

my younger brother went to school with one of those captured sailors. one of the two stoic Marines that kept stumm i should probably not add (you remember some sold stories to the papers and one groused about his iPod), but i will..

...we've mentioned Daniel Pipes, yes.

good lord, he is a bit special.
 
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3 Body No Problem

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scottdisco said:
it's extremely clear that the POTUSA and anyone that matters in D.C. is not listening to them. it's a bit like saying Lindsey German represents the most principled opposition to ISAF actions in Afghanistan.
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The difference between L. German on the one hand, and the likes of McCain, Podhoretz, Bolton, Lieberman and Giuliani on the other is that former is a marginal figure in British politics without meaninful powerbase in society, while the latter group is made up of influential mainstream powerbrokers with continual MCM access (mainstream cooperate media), one of who almost became US president a few months back.
 
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scottdisco

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3 Body No Problem said:
The difference between L. German on the one hand, and the likes of McCain, Podhoretz, Bolton, Lieberman and Giuliani on the other is that former is a marginal figure in British politics without meaninful powerbase in society, while the latter group is made up of influential mainstream powerbrokers with continual MCM access (mainstream cooperate media), one of who almost became US president a few months back.
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goes without saying.

fortunately, my observations re above still apply, in terms of the loons you cite appear to be nowhere near any levers of significant executive power these days (your valid MSM observations aside).

obviously i would be alongside you on the barricades urging fervent opposition to them if the reverse were the case, but as it isn't, i would like to think we can afford to safely scorn them without too much worry about the efficacy of their agenda.

i hope i am not coming across as too relaxed toward that shower; all due respect for a very fine point about a certain strain that i know all on the board rightly disdain :cool:
 
vimothy

vimothy

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vimothy said:
Google earth: there's a technology whose time has not yet come. How frequently do they update the satellite images?
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Ask and ye shall receive:

Imagery update for Tehran
Saturday, June 20, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Many of you have been letting us know through Tweets, emails, blog posts, message boards, and even an online petition that you're very interested in seeing recent satellite imagery of Tehran. Well, we've heard your requests and over the past few days have been working with our satellite imagery partner GeoEye to make this possible. We just received updated satellite imagery of Tehran, taken on Thursday the 18th at approximatly 11:18am local time. Below are some screenshots the updated imagery, you can view the entire image in Google Earth with this KML file.

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The images above were taken from GeoEye's IKONOS satellite, which images at roughly 1-meter per pixel. We are continuing to work with GeoEye to see if we can provide a higher resolution update from the GeoEye-1 satellite, which would be at 0.5-meters per pixel, but this is subject to weather constraints. We'd like to thank GeoEye for making this imagery available to us and to thank our users for their advocacy.
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The rolling tag team coverage continues - quite a few days now ...

The daughter , plus more ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/world/middleeast/22iran.html?hp

Twitter ' on the barricades' 6 lessions learned...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/weekinreview/21cohenweb.html?hp

Looking for a new face' ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/weekinreview/21cooper.html?hp

Koran & the ballot box ... Gerecht is onto something here in his piece
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/opinion/21gerecht.html
 
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padraig (u.s.)

padraig (u.s.)

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vimothy said:
Good round up of yesterday's events based on tweets: The Green Brief 4 - NiteOwl
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It has also been confirmed that in Mashhad, a very large number Mullahs accompanied the protesters.
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several thousand already arrested (dunno if that's just Tehran or nationwide tho I think it's the former) - wonder where they're being held, how many ppl the govt has resources to hold for more than a few days?

that business about arresting wounded people at hospitals is seriously f**ked
 
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Brad DeLong on Mousavi's response to Khomenei:

Two thoughts:

First, Niccolo Machiavelli:

[A]ll armed prophets have conquered, and unarmed propheets have come to grief...​

Second, three people:

Alessandro Farnese, Prince of Parma: He who draws his sword against his Prince needs to throw away his scabbard...

Cersei Lannister: When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die...

Omar: You come at the king, you best not miss...​
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vimothy

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I think using violence would almost certainly be self-defeating for the opposition. Good quotes though. I particularly like, "He who draws his sword against his Prince needs to throw away his scabbard."

EDIT: Rereading, actually, it looks like you and DeLong agree...?
 
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Death on the street

Her name was Neda.
if you can see the video somewhere , hardcore death on her back , in the street ...

Basij shots to death a young woman in Tehran's Saturday June 20th protests At 19:05 June 20th Place: Karekar Ave., at the corner crossing Khosravi St. and Salehi st. A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim's chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes. The protests were going on about 1 kilometers away in the main street and some of the protesting crowd were running from tear gass used among them, towards Salehi St. The film is shot by my friend who was standing beside me. Please let the world know.
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polystyle

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Andrew Sullivan's Round up http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/

Clay Shirky now on Global Public Space. cell phone systems availability in iran, connectivity and amplification ,
when the 'everyday' person who never did it before decides to upload photos.
Roundtable talking about possibility of strikes and about the internal struggle caused by AN's power grab coup of the election.

5 other Rafsanjani relatives arrested (!).
BBC ordered out in 24 hrs.
Newsweek correspondent reportedly being detained.
Day 8 of protests ...
 
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vimothy

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4:43 AM ET -- Report: 40 senior clerics want election results annulled. The intense infighting among Iran's clerical establishment appeared to play out in new dramatic fashion on Monday. Via reader Art, the news site Peiknet reported that Ayatollah Rafsanjani has a letter signed by 40 members of the powerful 86-member Assembly of Experts calling for the annulment of the recent presidential election results.

Moreover, the letter (the authenticity of which has, again, not been verified) charges that the arrest of Rafsanjani's daughter Faezeh on Sunday was a way to exert pressure on him, and that she was followed and identified by the intelligence services during the rally.

More translation via a reader:

It says Khamenai has lung cancer and wanted to have his son as Supreme Leader (the position that Rafsanjani wants), and that the attempt to alter the election results was done in an attempt by Khamenei to eventually allow his son Mojtaba to replace him. It says that at the core the argument is not just about Mousavi but the overall system of government, as it's becoming a like Monarchy rather than a republic. So far, it says, most of the clerics have not accepted Ahmadinejad presidency, and quotes Ayatollah Javadi Amoly saying of the attack on Tehran University students, 'no Muslim will destroy another's property, they must be foreigners.'​
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html
 
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