oasis split thank fuck for that

[thirdform]

I quite like the idea of Oasis being fascist, there's that mixture of sentimentality, sexlessness, swagger, aggression and the vague sense of a communal uplift...

I'll get in trouble now for saying this cos I know many of you are footie supporters but it's definitely football music in my mind. Specifically football crowds all having a sing-song. It's about being an individual, an egotistical individual, but also about belonging to a big crowd of similar individuals, "WE're going to live forever".

there's a reason why I compared it to trance, similar kind of football chant cadence.

 

[Corpsey]

I've been mulling it over

I think perhaps it's one of those 'it got me when i was a kid so i can never get over it' things. I can really imagine not having been into oasis as a kid and hearing it now and thinking what a load of old shit.

However, I do think there's something about them (their early stuff obvs). And I reckon its, to use a technical term, singability. It's chantable, like a football song.

Liam's voice i think is important too, insofar as I can't imagine any of those songs would be anywhere near as good if Noel sang them

 

[Corpsey]

You've seen this I presume?

 

[thirdform]

but tbh my comment about fascist oasis wasn't to do with the swarm but the inability to confront sexuality.

 

[version]

Footie music you say? The only ones that can do footbal music are the dutch

I love that Dutch darts guy who always looks like he's pinging and comes on stage to hardstyle.

 

[thirdform]

Black Sabbath and motorhead are interesting in this regard because they push the sexlessness of rock to its ultimate limit. you of course get this with certain forms of hard techno, though ironically a lot of the classic hardcore acid is sexier than people give it credit for, just a demonic, rough sexuality.

 

[dilbert1]

I just think that its not cool and also that its gay. And no one can take that from me cos its my birthday today guys

 

[DannyL]

but tbh my comment about fascist oasis wasn't to do with the swarm but the inability to confront sexuality.

Weird actually thinking about it how few love songs Oasis seem to have (I don't know their shitty music so don't come at me). Like they can't do that softer register.

 

[thirdform]

the only way I could get into Oasis is if they pushed their tendancies to their limit. for instance if liam shot noel dead over a crack deal gone wrong. Of course, personally I don't approve of such antisocial activity, but if that forces them to make interesting music, then I will put aside my moral values.

 

[Corpsey]

There's a certain dimension of sex that can't exist in the ladosphere, the side of it that involves sensuous feelings (let alone emotions). You couldn't admit enjoying sex other than as you would a pint of beer in the ladosphere or you'll be ridiculed senseless

 

[version]

I just think that its not cool and also that its gay. And no one can take that from me cos its my birthday today guys

Happy birthday.

 

[DannyL]

There's a certain dimension of sex that can't exist in the ladosphere, the side of it that involves sensuous feelings (let alone emotions). You couldn't admit enjoying sex other than as you would a pint of beer in the ladosphere or you'll be ridiculed senseless

God that's gross.

 

[Corpsey]

Oasis are uniquely hard to pin down thematically because Noel's lyrics are almost completely nonsensical

They're not really about anything at all

 

[thirdform]

Weird actually thinking about it how few love songs Oasis seem to have (I don't know their shitty music so don't come at me). Like they can't do that softer register.

one thing I've noticed in England and America is rockists really hate women singing properly. In soul and of course in turkish music women with powerful voices are the light of the world, but in rock this is not possible, for whatever bizarre reason. Even in (shall we say) homosexual disco the woman as fem fatale for the psychological archetype of gendered desire is there.

 

[dilbert1]

Weird actually thinking about it how few love songs Oasis seem to have (I don't know their shitty music so don't come at me)

How could you say that??? There’s “(Just Can’t Get) Enough of That Girl,” “(That Girl is Always) On My Mind,” “(I’m in Bed with) the Most Beautiful Girl.” All great songs

 

[version]

Oasis are uniquely hard to pin down thematically because Noel's lyrics are almost completely nonsensical

They're not really about anything at all

Yeah, nobody knows what 'Cigarettes & Alcohol' is about.

 

[IdleRich]

I that I was reading about them via Smash Hits, so all I remember is them talking about being thrown off ferries for being drunk and disorderly (which seemed very naughty and cool to this 10 year old suburban stripling, but ofc was probably a sordid nightmare for anyone else on that ferry)

What happens to you when you get thrown off a ferry? Walk the plank... I guess people get thrown off planes, normally before take off.

 

[Corpsey]

There was that great bit in the documentary about britpop where the interviewer floated the idea to liam gallagher that he had an 'androgynous' appeal

Which I think is also true, he was quite beautiful really and probably a lot of the men who idolised him weren't quite aware or able to admit this dimension of their thing for him

 

[DannyL]

one thing I've noticed in England and America is rockists really hate women singing properly. In soul and of course in turkish music women with powerful voices are the light of the world, but in rock this is not possible, for whatever bizarre reason. Even in (shall we say) homosexual disco the woman as fem fatale for the psychological archetype of gendered desire is there.

Kinda reminds me of Reich a bit, the armour against anything soft

 

[version]

Weird actually thinking about it how few love songs Oasis seem to have (I don't know their shitty music so don't come at me). Like they can't do that softer register.

Every Oasis song is a love song to rock 'n' roll.