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tom pr

Well-known member
Terror Danjah and Chipmunk were reviewed in the Metro today, and Toddla T(!), the latter semiunrelated but what the fuck.
That's really cool, but not entirely unexpected; the Metro seem to pick what music they're going to cover completely at random. It'll be Britney and Rhianna one day and a page-long feature about Slint or someone the next. There's a cool interview with Toddla T on Prancehall right now actually...

On this weeks show I did think Skepta was alarmingly bad! Really if this is the best that Grime can come up with these days it's in deep trouble. Skepta just doesn't have a "voice" like for instance D Double or Wiley do. He also doesn't have any lyrics. And he also doesn't seem to have any beats.

I'd forgotten about Skepta a bit in the last few months as I've been so into Chipmunk/Griminal/etc etc, and I didn't get his album for ages. But I listened to it the other day and it's fire! There's a bit of me that was worried that he'd make an album as good as Dizzee or Goodz but because I've heard half the beats and most of the bars before I just wouldn't find it exciting, but that's not the case at all. Track ten (I don't remember the name, but the one with the 'stay far away from Joe' chorus) is a bit dull, but everything else on there is brilliant. Me and Woebot must be listening to someone different, because I still think that he's one of the most distinctive characters in the scene...
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
In grime it seems like there is a shortlist of DJs (Logan, Spyro, Vectra, and DJs involved with crews) who get all the good shit, and everyone else grasps for straws and plays shit Logan was playing like 2 months ago.

So the same as EVERY SINGLE other genre of dance music in history then?

And in reference to the 'quality control' issue. Notably the 'Ah but you can replace the word bassline for grime and it's true as well! check all the mediocre stuff!'

The mediocre grime stuff doesn't make it onto wax sirs. Remember that.

Of course conversely a lot of the good stuff doesn't make it onto wax either though.
 

Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
i remember the days of wiley and kano and lethal b saying what they did wasnt and shouldnt be called hip hop too... :p

ill check out the chipmunk cd then, hope its good. but i think what sick boy calls 'pioneering classic', id most likely call good to great. pioneering classic is quite a heavy title to apply to something. im not saying its all doom and gloom for grime, not at all, just that whats out there to buy isnt quite as amazing as some of you are making out (the 'its all so amazing/grime is at its peak right now' seems to be like a case of wanting it to be all these things rather than it actually *being* these things).

Not quite as amazing by whose standards? Your standards? The standards of a lot of young people in London? Where is this empirical knowledge based?

...oh right, in comparison to Boy In Da Corner... silly me.
 

Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
You can get Hatcha and Youngsta's record boxes within 2 months yeh? Seen.

All I said is that is seems a lot easier for people in other genres, particularly dubstep, to get lots of music from underground or unreleased artists. Not that anyone can acquire Youngsta or Hatcha's record boxes, and particularly not me.
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
Not quite as amazing by whose standards? Your standards? The standards of a lot of young people in London? Where is this empirical knowledge based?

...oh right, in comparison to Boy In Da Corner... silly me.

and just where is your fantastically argued supposition that grime is better than ever and the last half-year has seen a flood of bar-raising, quality-instating then? oh i forgot, your non stop imperious bluster means it must be true.

a slew of half baked mixtapes dont really confirm that grime is better than ever for me. BIDC isnt perfect either, but yeah, i would rather listen to that, or playtime is over, or against all oddz than a lot of quickly slung out, fan-milking mix-cds.

i dont agree that skepta is as crap as woebot says, but hes right in that skepta doesnt really have a 'voice' like DEE or riko or someone. skeptas personality comes from his lyrics and his content, not the sound of his vocals.

id actually say the same for even guys like griminal to a point - their voices dont instantly catch your attention or stand out as such, its more about what they do w/r/t making songs or say, etc (i cant actually see what theyre saying thats so great but ive already made that clear). id like to think this is where the next/current wave of grime mcs are really going to make their mark - in the same way guys like maniac are kind of a consolidation of older sounds/beats but have a standard to work from (whereas before, it was all still forging new paths), the new mcs will make it much more song-based a la hip hop than just the rave/club style 'bars and more bars' approach, esp if theres less outlets to do it live like before, and mix cds/albums are the new medium. whether this will actually happen though (esp as most releases are less like axiom or greatest hits and more like odds and ends), i have no idea. and whether this is a good/likely/desired thing (anyone see that post on blissblog recently about grime mcs 'not knowing their place'?) in lieu of what the mc does in UK dance music im not sure.

anyone go to house party last night? i loved it - kode 9s set was fucking sick... :) tubby was there, who i was looking forward to all bloody night, but when he came on, he played nothing but identikit plodding dubstep bangers. :( DEE was there but seemed wasted as there were hardly any grime beats to rhyme over. there was actually next to NO grime played the whole night actually (although the bug did drop stage show riddim), which was a bit of a let down.
 
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elgato

I just dont know
anyone go to house party last night? i loved it - kode 9s set was fucking sick... :)

wasn't it just, i had an absolutely incredible time, best dubstep-related rave i've been to in a very long time, and hardly any dubstep was played!

tubby was there, who i was looking forward to all bloody night, but when he came on, he played nothing but identikit plodding dubstep bangers. :( DEE was there but seemed wasted as there were hardly any grime beats to rhyme over

he killed my vibe to the extent that i left almost immediately

true that more grime would've been good. im sure they intended otherwise getting tubby and d double
 

noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
tubby was there, who i was looking forward to all bloody night, but when he came on, he played nothing but identikit plodding dubstep bangers.
Sounds pretty much like the whole night at Superdubpressure on Friday, except I left before Chef played. I've been at the last two House Party's and they've been really fun. Annoyed I couldn't reach.

Anyway, Grime thread, carry on.
 

mos dan

fact music
anyone go to house party last night? i loved it - kode 9s set was fucking sick... :) tubby was there, who i was looking forward to all bloody night, but when he came on, he played nothing but identikit plodding dubstep bangers. :( DEE was there but seemed wasted as there were hardly any grime beats to rhyme over. there was actually next to NO grime played the whole night actually (although the bug did drop stage show riddim), which was a bit of a let down.

that's just what tubby does nowadays :( his name on the fwd line-up used to be a reason to go for me, but not anymore.

house party was still absolutely incredible. such a good night. you should've come to see faggatronix in the second room, they dropped some old wizzbit type stuff in amongst the other madness :) also, some incredible desi grime track which sara told me the name of and i've forgotten already.
 
ruff sqwad - 2003-2004, personal bliss inducers (01.05)

just downloading this now, have had it on my comp before, but was wondering if anyone knows anything about this. its basically a collection of radio snippets (or really really really badly recorded songs) and its bloody amazing. as from the title you can guess it covers ruff sqwad during 2003-2004 and its got the r u double f tune on it which keeps getting reloads whenever i play that blogariddims mix.

does anyone know anthing more about this, like who compiled it, where did they get these tracks? (i think most of them arent radio actually) or could this possibly be a ruff sqwad release?

either way, i cant believe i deleted it the first time round, just listening to it now, you know that big grin you get from grime, ear to ear!
 

Sick Boy

All about pride and egos
and just where is your fantastically argued supposition that grime is better than ever and the last half-year has seen a flood of bar-raising, quality-instating then? oh i forgot, your non stop imperious bluster means it must be true.

a slew of half baked mixtapes dont really confirm that grime is better than ever for me. BIDC isnt perfect either, but yeah, i would rather listen to that, or playtime is over, or against all oddz than a lot of quickly slung out, fan-milking mix-cds.

i dont agree that skepta is as crap as woebot says, but hes right in that skepta doesnt really have a 'voice' like DEE or riko or someone. skeptas personality comes from his lyrics and his content, not the sound of his vocals.

id actually say the same for even guys like griminal to a point - their voices dont instantly catch your attention or stand out as such, its more about what they do w/r/t making songs or say, etc (i cant actually see what theyre saying thats so great but ive already made that clear). id like to think this is where the next/current wave of grime mcs are really going to make their mark - in the same way guys like maniac are kind of a consolidation of older sounds/beats but have a standard to work from (whereas before, it was all still forging new paths), the new mcs will make it much more song-based a la hip hop than just the rave/club style 'bars and more bars' approach, esp if theres less outlets to do it live like before, and mix cds/albums are the new medium. whether this will actually happen though (esp as most releases are less like axiom or greatest hits and more like odds and ends), i have no idea. and whether this is a good/likely/desired thing (anyone see that post on blissblog recently about grime mcs 'not knowing their place'?) in lieu of what the mc does in UK dance music im not sure.

I have a few times now made arguments here as to why I think grime is doing better off now than it was; a few examples I gave were the increase in lyrical talent and ability in all of the scene's older MCs while they made the difficult transition to making mixtapes (see: skepta, jammer, ghetto, jme, frisco, scorcher), followed by a new wave of DJs, producers and MCs that is now slowly coming about now the mixtape thing is in full effect. I also pointed to how a lot of these artists are now realizing the possibilities of being entrepreneurial and independent from the traditional music industry, and guys like Boy Better Know are really showing others how it can be done successfully. Also, Logan's ratings seem to be steadily climbing at a rate that should be alarming to all the detractors who were referring to the sad state of affairs grime was deemed to be (and I would agree WAS) in a couple years ago. The reason this is all good news is because what we're seeing is grime slowly getting a grasp on its ability to become a self-sufficient cultural institution in at least London, though is starting to spread a little further out now.

People are really supporting this stuff, and now, as mentioned a little earlier you've got kids now growing up in London with these new guys as their mentors - not Americans. That's no small thing. And I'll be the first one to say that record sales or sheer numbers don't necessarily affect quality, but by your definition of what would make grime music better (i.e. that grime should be more song-based) then it is pretty much inarguable that grime is doing miles better in that department than it was before. Logan, every week, plays track upon track of tunes that have traditional structures, lyrical concepts and occasionally, great hooks too. It surprises me that you'd use Skepta's album as an example against this style, when over half of the tracks have choruses!

There are undeniably bucket loads more of the kinds of tunes you are talking about now than there were back then when it was all about radio and raves. Whether or not you particularly like these tunes is really just a matter of taste, I suppose, but if anything describes grime's latest era it is a move away from the "bars and more bars" approach.

This is what you want, right?
Although reading it over again I'm not sure whether you were arguing FOR a change in this direction or just commenting that this IS the way it is heading. If you were advocating a return to the rave-styled thing, however, I think that approach would have been impractical amongst other things. Rave music in Britain has a very small lifespan, and I feel like what grime artists are doing is now trying to establish something a little more than another blip in the continuum.
 
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tom pr

Well-known member
house party was still absolutely incredible. such a good night. you should've come to see faggatronix in the second room, they dropped some old wizzbit type stuff in amongst the other madness :) also, some incredible desi grime track which sara told me the name of and i've forgotten already.
Yeah, what the fuck was that song? It was ace.

Agreed that House Party was incredible. I enjoyed Tubby, but it had reached that point in the evening where I was in love with everyone and everything. Except for the Bug dropping Jah War, I Luv U, Stageshow Riddim and then Gold Digger - what the fuck?? I thought Oneman was brilliant, if people left during Tubby they missed out...
 

tomd

penis like a micromachine
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I listen to grime because its the only modern music which makes me feel all motivated inside.
 

Logan Sama

BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
To be honest with you, if you GENUINELY believe that most of the biggest mixtapes of 2007 were half-arsed and slapped together to milk the fans then you're lost and it would be a waste of calories to actually type out a counter-argument to your points.

Seriously man. Allow the sweeping generalisations which only apply to about 2-3 releases from people the listening public actually care about.
 
rah

I just think the last few months have seen no great mixtapes released. can i say something that is not only positive without being a hater

can't man just like somethings without being accused of being extended family? going on that...ain't like half the guys on here part of Eskibeat Recordings?

I already stated in another thread that Aftershock are (were?) one of my favourite labels in terms of business, styling and approach plus Terror is a influence on my sound as are a few other producers in the scene

On a quick tangent…why is this kind of mindstate so endemic in the UK? like you can't like something, you can't be a fan without it being some sort…bredding thing…especially within UK Black music. It's ok if it's stateside but here is like a 'nah nah low that'

this music needs more fans imo buying tees, mixtapes, putting posters in their room (n/h lol) and all that for it to really survive . look at rwd forum...most times ppl are scared to BE fans which is why there always saying 'this is waste, that is waste' - Long

Anyway I think Maniac is ok but most of the stuff he's done reminds me of some kind of Grime infused rap stuff (barring Bow E3 of course). I look forward to hearing that Adamantium EP though

Guys like Chipmunk are the new breed though...I don't think you'll find him backed up with progressive production like Dizzee during BIDC...which would be a shame

Oh and before I forget…Dizzee has sold 100,000 (gold) of M&E making it 3 albums and 3 consecutive gold plaques...and he's out of his deal with XL....a UK street artist actually fulfilled a contract!

I don't rate him anymore but you gotta rate that…wonder what he'll do next? Proper Dirtee Stank perhaps?
 
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