rolling back to the future garage/post-dubstep/alt-funkstep/intelli-2step etc thread

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Phaedo

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Loefah has been playing quite a few old 2-step/dubstep tracks recently which seem to fit into this dark/percussive/raw funky vibe. But yeah shame more producers haven't/aren't trying to experiment with that sound. When funky start to take off I thought it was only a matter of time before there was loads of great darker tunes. Weird its never really taken off (some great darker funky though still).
 
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CrowleyHead

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Why are people acting like "dark funky" is a june 2011 idea when "Black Sun" was being played in 2008 and this is a 58,508 view thread about what dubsteppers did under the influence of uk funky in the time since?
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Because while I love that song, that's even more of an established dubstepper flirting with Funky for new ideas. Kode isn't doing anything that affects Funky as a genre, it's borrowing stuff from Funky because it's something he likes. It's like saying "Squarepusher and Aphex Twin playing with drum and bass styles totally affected the genre."

Until these records start having a minor impact within the genre they mimic, they actually don't have anything to do with the genre. If anything, despite how good they might be, they're almost novelty records.
 
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CrowleyHead

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Put it to you this way; think about Funkystepz and Ill Blu, who are 'proper' Funky artists. Do you think they take Kode's interpretation of Funky seriously? Do you think they hear "Love Is The Drug" for example, and think "Oh! We need to play this in our next set!" because in order to it to be Dark Funky, Funky producers have to actually understand it. It can't be some alien invasion form of music, it has to be somewhat embryonic.

Edit: By that same right, I need to hear Kode's "Frankie Solaar" track again, as it didn't have the Kode9 'sound' so overtly, and would show a better example of Kode interpreting Funky.
 
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Benny Bunter

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Blackdown said:
"Squarepusher" is a low fucking blow.
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come on man, he's obviously not saying Kode 9 sounds like squarepusher or anything. I think the comparison is quite a good one. 'Black sun' has had absolutely zero impact on the funky scene.

I don't think the scene plunging into darkness would be a good thing really as it would inevitably mean less vocal tunes and less fun. Imagine Shantie or someone chatting over Black Sun on a set! :confused:
 
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Ory

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CrowleyHead said:
Edit: By that same right, I need to hear Kode's "Frankie Solaar" track again, as it didn't have the Kode9 'sound' so overtly, and would show a better example of Kode interpreting Funky.
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a lot of technicals in this mix iirc...

http://www.divshare.com/download/5007001-435

1.Rhythm & Sound ft. Jennifer Lara - Queen in my Empire
2.Kudu - Space
3.Geeneus - Yellowtail
4.Apple - Segalizer
5.Mentor Roska - Feeline VIP
6.Frankee Solar - Unknown
7.Mentor Roska - Pyramids
8.Fuzzy Logic - Twiss

what's apple doing these days anyway?
 
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rrrivero

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MC Shantie on Black Sun must be what Hitler sees when he closes his eyes. Next thing you'll have him wearing a beret and getting a master's degree
 
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SecondLine

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CrowleyHead said:
It's like saying "Squarepusher and Aphex Twin playing with drum and bass styles totally affected the genre."
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What is it with you lot and comparing anything not completely 100% bred-on-the-estates hardcore to the most obstruse IDM you can think of? Shades of grey.

I know you're just making an analogy but the choice of artists is telling.
 
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Benny Bunter

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SecondLine said:
What is it with you lot and comparing anything not completely 100% bred-on-the-estates hardcore to the most obstruse IDM you can think of? Shades of grey.

I know you're just making an analogy but the choice of artists is telling.
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well, no disrespect to Wascal at all, but in your very next breath you just endorsed "some dark speed funky on kid 606's label", which to my ears doesn't sound too far away from what I'd imagine Aphex doing with funky really.

The comparisons to IDM's one-way relationship with Jungle are obvious and quite valid when talking about funky-not-funky stuff's non-impact upon UK Funky proper, which is what Crowleyhead was originally talking about.
 
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SecondLine

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Phaedo said:
AFX dropped Night Hunter at Bloc didn't he?
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yeah and a couple of boddika tunes.

Did you listen to the Wascal tune? Not many Amen drills or musique concrete breakdowns. And by speedy he means 140bpm, we're not talking gabba here.

I mean yes, this is an outsider's take on a genre...but I think it's unfair to align anybody and everybody operating outside the core scene with something sadistically complex and obscure like AFX or Squarepusher.
 
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SecondLine

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Benny B said:
The comparisons to IDM's one-way relationship with Jungle are obvious and quite valid when talking about funky-not-funky stuff's non-impact upon UK Funky proper, which is what Crowleyhead was originally talking about.
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Sorry didn't spot this sentence. Yeah you're right actually, for the point he was making it was valid. I just skim read and got itchy keyboard fingers.
 
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Corpsey

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''Black Sun'', to me, isn't (UK)funky or even particularly 'dark'.

It's a great tune but it doesn't really remind me of UK funky.

I need to re-read the last few pages cos I don't know what people are really pushing for/against. If stripped down and bassy tracks aren't considered dark, I suppose 'darkness' must = atmospheric, consciously sinister/horror-ish?
 
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Corpsey

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I used to like a few Squarepusher tunes. I can see why he makes people want to vomit though. The slap-bass solos and so on.

Aphex rulez tho

 
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