Things the Right get right
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luka
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droid
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The morning Star is a communist - not 'radical left' - newspaper, it has a circulation of 10,000. Im sure there are plenty of objectionable and awful things published in it all the time along with some good stuff. Its value, if it has any, is in its independence.
To use one headline from a traditionally leftist paper as a bellwether of the radical left or as part of a Corbyn bashing exercise... well, its just silly.
To use one headline from a traditionally leftist paper as a bellwether of the radical left or as part of a Corbyn bashing exercise... well, its just silly.
john eden
male pale and stale
So you're condemning Corbyn AND the radical left on the basis of an article you haven't even read, in a newspaper which is marginal at best?
How very "rational" of you.
droid
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In the utilitarian sense I think this will eventually be the conclusion that is drawn. None of it matters if we are all dead anyway.
Thats not to say that any wider struggle will not encompass many of the aims of 'identity' politics regardless.
Mr. Tea
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Communism isn't radical these days? Hard left, then.
But this is entirely consistent with a pattern of behaviour that's been going on for years now - the evident moral bankruptcy of many people who call themselves "anti-war" or "anti-imperialist" on the radical left (or hard left, whatever - I think this is splitting hairs). Corbyn is very far from being the worst offender in this respect but he has an unfortunate tendency to associate himself with some pretty unsavoury people and organizations.
But this is entirely consistent with a pattern of behaviour that's been going on for years now - the evident moral bankruptcy of many people who call themselves "anti-war" or "anti-imperialist" on the radical left (or hard left, whatever - I think this is splitting hairs). Corbyn is very far from being the worst offender in this respect but he has an unfortunate tendency to associate himself with some pretty unsavoury people and organizations.
droid
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And again... and again... and again...
Meanwhile, capitalism is literally ripping the planet to pieces.
john eden
male pale and stale
You won't bother to read this and we'll be back having this argument in a few months, but here it is anyway:
https://datacide-magazine.com/anti-imperialism-bankrupcy-of-the-left/
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Yes, thank you, I'm aware of that. My point is that there are some things the left could be doing to make itself more appealing to the electorate, or which might enable to at least offer some effective opposition.
Mr. Tea
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i mean politishuns
Benny Bunter
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I read it. I think it lets Israel off the hook a bit, but that aside, it makes a great deal of sense. I'm not familiar with the website so I dunno if it has a particular ideological slant, but from the look of it and knowing your interests, I'm guessing it might broadly be called anarchist? Good article, anyway.
(One bone to pick: calling George Galloway's thankfully defunct gang of gimps "R.E.S.P.E.C.T." is an uncalled-for slight on Aretha Franklin!)
IdleRich
IdleRich
On this one, I think there is something to be said. Maybe it is just facebook hysteria (that's where I keep reading about this) but I don't think it looks good that a newspaper that Corbyn writes for has a headline calling what's happening in Aleppo liberation. And it's the headline that's important, the article doesn't matter at all cos (as everyone pointed out) no-one is going to read it, but lots of people have seen the headline and they link it to Corbyn (I make no remarks about the left in general). People already seem to think that Corbyn is responsible for everything that is happening there (something else I don't understand) so this just adds to that. It is worth remarking.