linebaugh

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Is that what you get from that Baudrillard quote? Reads more like a description of the 'newer' stuff to me. He's not talking about case studies of interesting individuals. He's talking about the opposite.
Maybe im blurring the lines of the terms but what seems unique about the auto- inpulse of the 10's art is that its aspriational, something to be almost celebrated. Im thinking of books like my year of rest and relaxation, shows like girls and things like that- this is how cool people feel, this is how they express it. Based on what ive read of auto- type art that preceded the bauldrillard quote it was much more cynical. No one wants to be a john updike character like they want to be a disaffected city dwelling millenial. Thats what I think could seperate the autofiction baulldrillard is talking about and the autofiction we suspect might be a unique development of the 10s
 

linebaugh

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I assumed that baulldrillard quote was from the 70s or 80s but I see now its from the late 90s possibly early aughts so ya youre right
 

version

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Twitch is something that niggles at me. There are people into video games who won't even play them and will just watch someone else play from their bedroom. It's part of the fabric now, but it's bizarre when I think about it. People pay them as well. They're paying these people to play games on their behalf. It's like paying to sit next to your mate playing GoldenEye in the 90s. Wasn't the fun supposed to be playing the game?
 

dilbert1

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2008-2016 culture for the most part felt more comprehensible. Coincidentally toward the end of that period is precisely when I began “paying attention” and trying to think seriously about it. What shit timing.
 

dilbert1

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The Coming Insurrection and To Our Friends both tried to wring hope from the decade but also glibly announced (not least by their own example) the regressive meltdown to come.
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
2010’s are the True Detective meme as lived experience - deep inhale - now the exhale. Obama’s legacy fracturing into Trumpenkriegers and tripe like Game of Thrones everywhere (tits always go a long way). Is this really happening? Of course, you’ve always been the caretaker sir

Earlier part of the decade was the last period actively buying any new records until late lockdown inspired Discogs hunting. A favourite old forum died around 2010/2011. Weird, looking back. Disconnected worlds arising from the religion of connectivity. 4G absolutely, an inverted funnel slowly dissolving old cultural forms despite moving up from archaic download speeds. Can’t remember last time I used seeksoul, still maintain an mp3 player but you could witness the transformation once larger work folders started getting drastically quicker uploads. Upload rates conquered a raft of admin jobs. As discussed, streaming. Similarly with torrenting. Don’t do it that often, it’s as if the 2010’s were spent processing archives of everything pirated the previous decades

2010 seems a lifetime ago, London riots followed by olympics even more so. Fluffy conservatives sold as a coalition with a hybrid restraining order where worst excesses might be trimmed or curtailed. Look at Britain now, what a fuckin dump. Nothing works, systems not fit for purpose. Inheritances can be bitter but how else can anyone learn. If the rigidity of foundations are set and the architecture is in place, deformed growth resulting from it all might be a necessary side effect of moving past convenience app crap lifestyles, processing Covid pandemic in kids and war in southeastern Europe
 

version

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The Coming Insurrection and To Our Friends both tried to wring hope from the decade but also glibly announced (not least by their own example) the regressive meltdown to come.

Have you read Conspiracist Manifesto? Curious about that one, but can see it retreading familiar ground.
 

shakahislop

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UK culture was more vulnerable than ever to being influenced by the US. All the apps we used were designed by americans for americans. american voices dominated online spaces coz they have strength in numbers and coz you can't hear the accents, they're disembodied voices
 

version

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It was also the first time in a while that the influence went the other way, what with 'Brooklyn Drill' and Drake (although he's Canadian) latching onto Skepta and Headie One and suddenly talking like a roadman.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
Maybe another way to define the 2010 interregnum is as the fin de siècle of the transnational elites.
 

dilbert1

Well-known member
@version yes that’d be my guess. I’m personally fed up with that stuff. I wasted a lot of time with Tiqqun et al. A fantastic journal from a kind of creative-aesthetic point of view, beautiful document of the turn of the millenium. I was always interested in the philosophical moves, the dense constellation of references. Intro to Civil War is doing something with the traditional aesthetic categories of ‘free play’ and ‘form’, for instance, that commentators never really tease out.

The IC, at the outset of the decade in question, dropped the essays on art and metaphysics to revel in the social chaos du jour. But anyways, their thought ultimately amounts to a deliberately mystified and obscure atavism, tainted as it is with Heidegerrian concerns, an aestheticized ‘ethical’ bona fides to help you network behind the barricades. That third Invisible Committee book Now was utter garbage and for me marked the end of their relevance, in 2016 no less.

As for how I get my left-intellectual rocks off these days, Chris Cutrone’s latest book Death of the Millenial Left dates the latter’s ‘moment’ in precisely this way, ‘08-‘16. Out of the Vereo-semiotext(e)-LeftAcc-communization haze, I found his writings and the curriculum of his reading group/journal/public forum Platypus, which emerged in late 2006 and is still going strong. For anyone who ended up feeling they might have jumped the gun with all the post-Marxist paraphernalia of the past few decades, their project can be quite refreshing.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
2010’s are the True Detective meme as lived experience - deep inhale - now the exhale. Obama’s legacy fracturing into Trumpenkriegers and tripe like Game of Thrones everywhere (tits always go a long way). Is this really happening? Of course, you’ve always been the caretaker sir

Earlier part of the decade was the last period actively buying any new records until late lockdown inspired Discogs hunting. A favourite old forum died around 2010/2011. Weird, looking back. Disconnected worlds arising from the religion of connectivity. 4G absolutely, an inverted funnel slowly dissolving old cultural forms despite moving up from archaic download speeds. Can’t remember last time I used seeksoul, still maintain an mp3 player but you could witness the transformation once larger work folders started getting drastically quicker uploads. Upload rates conquered a raft of admin jobs. As discussed, streaming. Similarly with torrenting. Don’t do it that often, it’s as if the 2010’s were spent processing archives of everything pirated the previous decades

2010 seems a lifetime ago, London riots followed by olympics even more so. Fluffy conservatives sold as a coalition with a hybrid restraining order where worst excesses might be trimmed or curtailed. Look at Britain now, what a fuckin dump. Nothing works, systems not fit for purpose. Inheritances can be bitter but how else can anyone learn. If the rigidity of foundations are set and the architecture is in place, deformed growth resulting from it all might be a necessary side effect of moving past convenience app crap lifestyles, processing Covid pandemic in kids and war in southeastern Europe

Thank you, 4G is very important. A technical shift that transformed politics, culture, social relations and human behaviour.
 

version

Well-known member
beautiful document of the turn of the millenium

That era of this stuff seems to be a meme atm and generally rubbished. It's fashionable for people on Twitter to use Hardt and Negri's Empire as a punchline the way some people do Infinite Jest. I dunno what their actual criticisms of it are as that's where it seems to begin and end. You just make the joke so people know you know what it is and are on the current cool team.
 
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