john eden
male pale and stale
I've been amazed by the lack of self-awareness of some of the yoot, to be fair.
It's almost as if posting up photos of yourself and boasting on facebook is more important than actually taking part...
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I've been amazed by the lack of self-awareness of some of the yoot, to be fair.
It's almost as if posting up photos of yourself and boasting on facebook is more important than actually taking part...
john eden
male pale and stale
Donations of clothes etc requested for people who lost their homes in fire:
http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/news_and_events/latest_news/centre.htm
Drop off at Tottenham Green Leisure Centre
http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/news_and_events/latest_news/centre.htm
Drop off at Tottenham Green Leisure Centre
john eden
male pale and stale
I think discussing the current situation in the UK is more interesting than getting into the various personalities, origins and strengths/weaknesses of people who post on Dissensus, personally.
Some bits and bobs here on Tottenham and Hackney: http://www.uncarved.org/blog
you
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I've been amazed by the lack of self-awareness of some of the yoot, to be fair.
It's almost as if posting up photos of yourself and boasting on facebook is more important than actually taking part...
up on some cyber-meta tip over here - surely that IS taking part under the paradigm of todays communications, mediums and politics.....
john eden
male pale and stale
Fair play tho, Luka, it is a great thread. Well worth my workplace letting me back on here to have a look at.
This doesn't sound like a statement of belief to me more a comment on the discourses around class.
luka
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http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/
this is new to me. its a lot of fun. what do people think of this?
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this is new to me. its a lot of fun. what do people think of this?
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4linehaiku
Repetitive
It's slightly depressing to see everybody (myself included) interpreting the whole thing as conclusive proof that they were right all along, regardless of what those underlying opinions were. All the leftists (again including me I suppose) slot it seamlessly into "the cuts are bad" and others now 'have proof' that "these people are mindless scum" etc.
Twitter commentators getting hard-ons for rubber bullets and the army, rapidly followed by others revelling with equal glee in the "exposure of the racism and class-hatred of self-proclaimed liberals etc etc". So it turns out a lot of people rate their personal safety and their collection of material shit higher than their principles when stuff around them is on fire. Quelle suprise? Is knowing that about @generic_guy_23 really much of a radical marxist victory?
Anyone appearing on TV presenting an 'explanation' for the actions of thousands of individuals you don't agree with is greeted with cries of "get this cunt off TV", but no censorship is actually required as seconds later you can just change channel to some other pundit who's views more closely match your own.
Rather boring bit of navel gazing I suppose. Agree with GrizzleB's take on things personally, but then I would wouldn't I? It's a good thread Luka, but as you say, we're mostly playing out our usual roles.
Twitter commentators getting hard-ons for rubber bullets and the army, rapidly followed by others revelling with equal glee in the "exposure of the racism and class-hatred of self-proclaimed liberals etc etc". So it turns out a lot of people rate their personal safety and their collection of material shit higher than their principles when stuff around them is on fire. Quelle suprise? Is knowing that about @generic_guy_23 really much of a radical marxist victory?
Anyone appearing on TV presenting an 'explanation' for the actions of thousands of individuals you don't agree with is greeted with cries of "get this cunt off TV", but no censorship is actually required as seconds later you can just change channel to some other pundit who's views more closely match your own.
Rather boring bit of navel gazing I suppose. Agree with GrizzleB's take on things personally, but then I would wouldn't I? It's a good thread Luka, but as you say, we're mostly playing out our usual roles.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Yeah true - people take any facts and fit them to their world view. Same with the Norwegian killings, it was either proof that multiculturalism had failed or an argument for more integration. Doesn't mean that you should give up trying to make as much sense as possible of things though, you've just got to try and be aware of your own prejudices although that's very difficult.
luka
Well-known member
for example a girl that is married to an old workmate was saying on facebook that on the upcoming aus census everyone should say they are christian if they are agnotic or aethesit becasue 1000,000 australians are going to write mulims so we all hav to claim to be christian unless we want them building mosques in our neighbourhood. then started ranting about muslims. or the man at work that was saying the labour party has destroyed the australian economy by introducing a carbon tax and a mining tax and so on, ow unemployemnt is so high and all this other utter bollocks and when i challeneged him said 'well you obviously dont listen to talkback radio' so i verbally beat both of these people up and felt like an intellectual thug but... i dont think i am a bad person for doing so really.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
That's some great stuff there, John. Great photos of the chopper and the burning car, too.
don_quixote
Trent End
interesting article published 6 weeks ago:
"Will the Revolution Begin in London"
and Al Jazeera putting it all into historical perspective:
"Londoners: Rioting Through the Ages"
"Will the Revolution Begin in London"
and Al Jazeera putting it all into historical perspective:
"Londoners: Rioting Through the Ages"
john eden
male pale and stale
I think you're right but people rarely have a radical change of view overnight. I think when people look back on 2011 they will find that their ideas have changed subtly, if they are honest and can remember.
I've personally been surprised how quickly some people who I thought were OK are to leap in with judgements and call for the army or capital punishment or whatever. Perhaps because they've always felt like that but haven't felt comfortable about expressing it in my company. I suppose those ideas can be challenged now they are out in the open.