salute tottenham
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Yes, it's been a confounding week. I came back from Berlin on Sunday, having just visited the Topography of Terror exhibition at the old SS HQ near Checkpoint Charlie. The switch from free-wheeling Weimar times to hounding Jews and hanging peasants appeared to take no time at all and there were a lot of laughs along the way for the people doing the hounding and hanging.
So, watching the #londonriots tweets on Monday night was mindblowing - about 99% of tweets were calls for the army, live rounds, send them back, crush them, kill them all etc. So much and so uniform in sentiment that I was beginning to wonder if I have some sort of mental disorder that prevents me tuning in to the moronosphere. Dissensus is a great antidote, as is listening to utter kneejerk fucktardery on LBC.
john eden
male pale and stale
@vimothy:
It seems like Simon Israel, a reporter for Channel 4 claimed last week that the Met told him initially that there was "an exchange of fire" with Mark Duggan.
I haven't seen this myself, but it was mentioned by people who were watching Channel 4 news at the time.
Obviously that's a bit vague, but it's relevant to what we were discussing here.
It seems like Simon Israel, a reporter for Channel 4 claimed last week that the Met told him initially that there was "an exchange of fire" with Mark Duggan.
I haven't seen this myself, but it was mentioned by people who were watching Channel 4 news at the time.
Obviously that's a bit vague, but it's relevant to what we were discussing here.
john eden
male pale and stale
yes indeed. There's also been a few politicians and commentators saying the police "felt they had their hands tied" because of all the furore about the policing of the G20 protests (when they killed someone for walking home) and the Stephen Lawrence case (where they failed to convict racist killers because of either incompetence or corruption or institutional racism or all three).
FairiesWearBoots
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Boris has got no answers for this man,
Liveleak is great for the most recent 'citizen journalism' but it is a US site and there a LOT of crazy right-wingers on there (in the comments sections)
luka
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ironic that what started as a protest against the police killing someone (and police brutality generally) becomes a license for far greater brutality, all with public backing. people i know who attend evry protest going in london all on facebook saying bring out the plastic bullets and the water cannon like those same things wont get used on thm nect time one of their 'nice' dmonstrations gets a little feisty and an 'anachist' or two breaks a window.
4linehaiku
Repetitive
It's all right now though guys, let's all just have a cup of tea and wait for the poor people to fuck off. #OperationCupOfTea
luka
Well-known member
the scum are always the scum. the scum are always with us. the scum of today are the same as the scum of yesterday. the scum of your country are the same as the scum of my country. they are all the same. they will always be with us. the scum must be suppressed. the scum must be lied to. the scum must be threatened. the scum must be made to beg. the scum must grovel.
the scum may be granted concessions but it must be made absolutely clear, these are not rights, but only concessions made subject to good behaviour. in the event of disobdience, revoke all privleges immediately.
the scum may be granted concessions but it must be made absolutely clear, these are not rights, but only concessions made subject to good behaviour. in the event of disobdience, revoke all privleges immediately.
sufi
lala
this is good
http://maptube.org/map.aspx?m=ol&s=...e/misc/londonriots_verified_20110809_1514.kml
areas of 'social deprivation overlaid' with trouble spots
http://maptube.org/map.aspx?m=ol&s=...e/misc/londonriots_verified_20110809_1514.kml
areas of 'social deprivation overlaid' with trouble spots
hucks
Your Message Here
Yeah, surely no surprise to anyone that the red areas are the areas with the flashpoints?
What's interesting to me in that all the fiery wigwams are at the edge of the darkest red areas, not in the middle of them. That makes sense, cos the darkest areas are presumably totally residential, estates and what have you. Whereas the riots took place in commercial areas nearby.
So if it was people from the very poorest areas involved (big if) it was kind of outward looking, not "trashing their own community" necessarily. On first reading etc more research is needed etc etc
Also relatively little in Tower Hamlets and Newham compared to their levels of deprivation.
as a side note to this, i just read 5 minutes ago that 1972 was the first year that color TV's outsold Black and White TV's in the US (and the first year that the amount of color tv's outnumbered the amount of B&W ones)
all 3 networks had been broadcasting color since 1966, the same year color tv's began to be semi-affortable (250 dollars)...
can you imagine people waiting 6 years to buy a new piece of technology now?
what the fuck does this shit mean? i saw it on facebook just a few minutes ago. (oh wait was that you posting it?)
owengriffiths
Owen
Youd've liked the article about the people sweeping up shops today in the Times today. The first paragraph was 'defiant middle class people'. Oh well, at least they didnt say white.
Sectionfive
bandwagon house
As the economy heads over a cliff again it's important we are reminded it's the poor wot wrecked the country.
