BTW I am wary of making out like deep tech is only interesting cos it has certain resemblances to Dubstep.
of course. they're mostly different: was just drawing the parallel of the seamless, rolling, focused purism.
BTW I am wary of making out like deep tech is only interesting cos it has certain resemblances to Dubstep.
Re the not new thing, you have to put it in context to his broader writings on retromania. His theory is that western culture as a whole has lost the modernist drive that characterised popular culture in the 20th century, and that holds for music, films, architecture etc etc etc.
Continuum can you reup that Grimey Deep Tech mix with an accessible link please, ta
What's wrong with people changing their minds!
to extend that further, i can fully see why most non-Dissensians go to raves just for the escapism: i think other critics and us lot probably have a larger bias towards "newness/originality exclusively". i'm fine with this, just observing a factor.
but i'm sure a lot of the energy in the scene comes from people raving to it who've just got involved so why on earth would they be weighed down with the past (ie 90s tech house etc), when their eyes are rolling and the venue's rammed?
Actually Simon's pointing to the bass lines as being the most innovative/distinctive part of deep tech atm seems fairly on point to me and is another link with Dubstep. The half step in of itself was innovative within the context of dance music but in those tunes the bass was often the driving rhythmic force. I want to go to a deep tech rave with a good system cos I bet those bass throbs are really propulsive live. Also they provide the syncopation which links deep tech to funky/garage for me as much as "straight" tech house.
I don't try and claim I'm from the roads or anything other than just being a big music fan. What I love about dance music, is that despite being a geeky white guy, I've only ever got good vibes and respect from all the more road DJs I've met in my time cause they can see the love of the music for what it is...
with you datwun there is clearly a love of music, my post was not aimed at you but it was necessary to quote you, further more i dont think someone needs to be from the roads to enjoy this, if i did i would never have been on here for one, still when guys are frequently talking about the roads and trying to state what goes on there with zero experience it is a problem and it's not good journalism, iamounts to putting words in peoples mouths
Far from thinking this stuff needs to be compared to dubstep or whatever, that road music needs to be intellectualised to be important, I more see it the other way round, that consistently for the last 25 years, the best dance music in the UK has been made by people in that pirate radio/rave/hardcore/multicultural/mostly-working class/London-Leeds-Shefield-Birmingham-Bristol continuum tradition, and that if you follow that crowd you're gonna find the best music.
of course, which is why the wholesale slapping down that started things off in here made zero sense but like i said people are not as acutely tuned to the "nuum" as they think if they couldnt see this was gonna happen, to me it was crystal clear
Also, though it doesn't need to be intellectualised, it does provide amazing food for thought! This is also the forum where people quote Delluze & Guattari while talking about Crazy Cousins lol, so it's inevitable that people are gonna talk about connections with the music as they experience it (dubstep and deep tech - a bit like Reynolds seeing a link between grime and Gabba back in day), whether or not those are actually real connections in terms of the scene/producers/DJs/influences. dubstep's definitely not the vibe I get from this music, but if seeing those links is the way it makes sense to people then horses for courses you know...
yeah but saying thats a concrete link, disregarding the fact that it is my personal link. thats not cool
Yeah, Reynolds could have been more contrite in admitting that this stuff does have value, but then on one level what do you expect? I'm an active DJ and raver, so I need a constant stream of new music to fill my sets and bangerz that are gonna have me screwfacing on the dance floor. Reynolds is now in his 50s living in LA, of course his criteria for liking music is gonna be more tilted towards the stuff which hits him on
an intellectual level now.
what do YOU expect from him, you had to twist this guys arm into liking this stuff, really bend his ear but HE'S the authority on whats hot and whats not? if it passes the simon reynolds litmus test it's a good look despite him being 50 and retired and yadda yadda. i dunno y people care
PS yeah I have an issue with that intelligent appreciating verses escapism dichotomy. First of all, I don't know about everyone else here, but I go to raves to take class A substances, brock out, chat shit with my friends and total strangers and make memories. Secondly, ravers are actually very critical in their appreciation of the music, they might not write essays about it , but they know the difference between a good DJ and a bad one, which is why good DJs light up the rave and bad ones don't...
of course
I was sorry not to come down to RS4 at the last Bodynod.
can't see a better ambassador of deep tech in london than you, that's why. looking forward to going to one of those events. any recs?